Friday, December 20, 2013

All NorCal Cross Country Team

I will post the All NorCal Cross Country Team once it's been determined by a panel of coaches/adults.  In the meantime, please feel free to post your own selections and choices.  

Here are the selections from last year as well as a link to past selections dating back to 1953:
http://www.prepcaltrack.com/ATHLETICS/XC/2012/allnorca.htm

The panel will come up with the following:
1st, 2nd, 3rd teams (7 each) and Honorable Mention (20) for Boys and Girls.
Runners of the Year
Freshmen, Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors of the Year.
Section Best Runners of the Year (NS, SJS, NCS, CCS, OAK and SF)
10 All-Freshman Teams (Boys and Girls)

114 comments:

Anonymous said...

It looks like NCS and SJS had posted all section teams following their section meets. Did CCS do the same?

NCSftw said...

I know this is going to be hotly contested, but Aidan Goltra is my pick for NorCal runner of the year. Blair Hurlock had the very impressive course record at NCS, but Aidan was both a State Champion and had the fastest time in all of CA at the state championships which should be more heavily weighed than the section meet.

Anonymous said...

Boys
Senior: Aidan Goltra
Junior: Trevor Reinhart
Sophomore: Matt Salazar
Sophomore: Cooper Teare

Aidan: NCS champion, State champion and 15:02. Nuff said.

Reinhart: NCS champ, runner up at state, 15:24 and the fastest Californian at footlocker west (ahead of Hurlock)

Salazar and Teare were obviously the best within their grade

Anonymous said...

Kevin Lehr for sophomore of the year

Anonymous said...

Fiona O'Keeffe as Norcal runner of the year, sophomore and SJS runner

Anna Maxwell and Sarah Robinson deserve something too

Anonymous said...

A Hard Decision between Maxwell and O'Keeffe. You really Can't Use NXN or Footlocker as Comparisons. Snow and Hard Impact Ground at one Race and Muddy Conditions at the Other, Where Maxwell Slipped and Fell on the Switchback's, Also Same on the Boys side! One Other Question is, What is up with California's not wearing Spikes at Footlocker and other's from other States Can?

Anonymous said...

All frosh - Julia Bounds, Sofia Castiglione, Nicky Iyer. Castiglione was a solid #2 behind o'Keefe at Davis and ran well all year including a strong freshman performance at Nike. Iyer finished strong with a podium finish at state albeit in D4 and broke 18 at Crystal Springs to make the all time list. Bounds was outstanding all season and it was unfortunate that she was sick for state but that shouldn't discount the fact that she won WCAL, runner up in CCS D2 with 5th fastest time in CCS (behind Maxwell, Robinson, and Jacob) and top 6 freshman time ever at Crystal. Second at Lowell Invitational behind Robinson, Win at Stanford Invitational, Win at Clovis Invitational and set a CCS course record for Woodward Park along with being in top 25 freshman all time at Woodward park. Obviously state is the ultimate goal but not sure you can discount the strength of her season in looking at Freshman of the year.

Anonymous said...

Rob,

There are no rules at Footlocker that California runners cannot wear spikes. It is not a CIF event, those rules do not apply.

Anonymous said...

Okeefe was had faster times at states and mt sac the maxwell as well as that great Nike showing behind only the big 3. I would give it to her. Maxwell had a solid season as well

Albert Caruana said...

Looks like some more tough decisions this year. Keep the comments coming.

Anonymous said...

CCS was slow this year.
Senior: welsh, Dimick, Marshall?
Junior: Foster
Soph: Robinson

Anonymous said...

CCS was slow this year? Let's not forget that Anna Maxwell and Sarah Robinson broke 17 at Crystal this year

Anonymous said...

Based on performances at state:

Aidan Goltra
Fred Huxham
Blair Hurlock
Trevor Reinhart
Tyler Olson
Chris Foster
Cameron Tu

Although I'd give Hurlock the edge over Huxham because of his course record at Hayward High and for going sub-15 multiple times at Mt. SAC, EBAL, NCS etc.

Anonymous said...

Freshman:
Cooper Teare SJND
Dawson Reckers Athenian
Jared Yabu Campolindo
Ryman Crowe Placer
Kellen O'Neill Arcata
Willie Mein SJND
Brandon Chu Crystal Springs
Owen Woo St. Mary's
Gavin Hill SJND
Riley Coan Flintridge Prep

Anonymous said...

I think you have to look more than at the states - the sectionals should be factored in.

Albert Caruana said...

I think you have to look at the entire season but the post season meets should be more heavily weighted.

Anonymous said...

Worth pointing out that Goltra had was undefeated in his CIF season. Obviously some of that speaks to his coach's race selection, but even then that's no easy task. Also, who was our last repeat champion on the boys side? Goltra is my pick.

Anonymous said...

Hurlock made it to Footlocker NATIONALS. Goltra was like 20 something at NXN.

Albert Caruana said...

It's really not that simple. If you are going to bring up Hurlock making the Footlocker National meet, you also have to bring up Trevor Reinhart who beat Hurlock in the same race. NXN is more of a national meet as opposed to the Footlocker meet which is more regional.

Let's see what happens in San Diego for both Reinhart and Hurlock before we make a decision on who was the runner of the year.

Anonymous said...

@10:18 AM

The comparison doesn't work. You have no way of knowing if Hurlock would have done better than Goltra at NXN or if Goltra would have done better than Hurlock at FLW. Both of those hypothetical outcomes are reasonable.

Also, the fact that Hurlock wasn't even the top NCS finisher makes the comparison worse for Hurlock, if anything.

Anonymous said...

Not only did O'Keeffe win at Mt. Sac and CIF, she now holds the sophomore record on both courses. Her 4th place finish at NXN was only 6 seconds off the previous record (now obliterated by the big 3). Maxwell and Robinson had tremendous seasons but O'Keeffe stands alone

Anonymous said...

Hello everyone, Anna Maxwell for NorCal runner of the year! She had a phenomenal senior season, running away with the title at CCS in a blazing fast time, and she had the fastest time of the day at Stanford. And she qualified for Foot Locker Nationals, surely a huge achievement. If I am correct, her only loss was at Foot locker West!

Anonymous said...

I second the Anna Maxwell vote. Up until Footlocker West she was undefeated. At FL West she was seventh. Only one California girl finished ahead of her.

Anonymous said...

As great as she was , okeefe was better after stanford

Anonymous said...

Oqueef

Anonymous said...

really 806?

Anonymous said...

O'Keeffe second half of the season was way more impressive compare to Maxwell considering her performances at Willow, State meet, and NXN

Anonymous said...

O'Keeffe! She lost to Baxter at Clovis and the Big 3 at NXN. Outstanding season for her.

Anonymous said...

Maxwell for girl's runner of the year! The entire season should be considered not just the last half - BTW, Maxwell won CIF State race by 44 seconds and her 17:08 rated on the all-time list.

Anonymous said...

It's not like okeefe had a bad first half etheir. Maxwell had a better time at stanford , but okeefe had better times at mt sac and states, plus impressive performances at nationals and sections.she was consistent all year. Besides the last half should have more priority

Anonymous said...

Stanford Mt Sac State

Maxwell 17:22 16:56 17:07

O'Keefe 17:38 16:54 16:53

Total times exactly the same!

O'Keefe had the advantage at all 3 meets because she ran the early races. Maxwell ran the later races when the conditions were tougher. I'd give the award to Maxwell. (What about a tie?)

Anonymous said...

of course okeefe did pretty well in those cold conditions at nike so I doubt It would make a impact running a little later in the day

Check the facts said...

"Maxwell ran the later races when the conditions were tougher"

Huh? At Stanford Maxwell ran early in the morning when it was much cooler.

Anonymous said...

Okeefe delivered big time at NXN. If Maxwell comes up equally big at FootLocker (top 4, within a few seconds of old course record), then a tie might make sense. But if not, it seems pretty clear that Okeefe had the better season.

NCSftw said...

Maxwell 5th at footlocker!

Anonymous said...

Well...Maxwell took 5th (FIFTH!) at The Footlocker National Championship.
Anna Maxwell ran the 5th fastest time ever in the 42 year history of Crystal Springs at the CCS finals. Sarah Robinson ran the 6th fastest! (They ran in separate races.)
Maxwell was the fastest California girl of the day at FL.
How is she not the NorCal runner of the year?

Anonymous said...

because as impressive as she was and seriously had a great year, okeeefe was very impressive. Very close to the old nike nationals records. only lost to the big three at nationals and baxter at clovis. Better times at states and mtsac then Maxwell. Alltime sophtmore records at those courses . sub 17 at woodward park and mt sac. 4th alltime at woodward. course record at willows. both have great credientials

Anonymous said...

does anybody have enough knowledge to compare the fields of nationals versus footlocker?

Anonymous said...

It makes sense Maxwell would be the top California finisher as the four Californians with faster times at the state meet all went to NXN. Footlocker needs to make some changes in order to hold onto the prestige it once had. The last edition of Run Junkie on Flotrack suggests ideas to help Footlocker remain relevant. There is enough talent for two national events to showcase XC and since they both have different formats it is important both events endure.

Anonymous said...

4 of the top 5 girls from the Saucony rankings were at NXN. The top 3 girls (Efraimson, Baxter, and Cranny) were only at NXN. Werner ran both.

Footlocker had a good group of girls, but I don't think there is any doubt that NXN had the stronger girls field.

At NXN, O'Keeffe can within a few seconds of the old NXN course record and beat everyone but the top 3 girls. At Woodword, she set the sophomore class record is one of only 6 girls to *ever* break 17.

Anonymous said...

Lawson came in 9th at Footlocker Nationals last year and he still didn't get Nor Cal runner of the year. Will the criteria for choosing the norcal runner change this year?

Albert Caruana said...

There is no criteria. You have a group of us representing different parts of Northern California making our own selections. Hank will then determine the all-norcal team from all those selections.

Anonymous said...

What happened to Terrence Rabuzzi of Los Altos? He was great last year and I don't even think he ran this year.

Anonymous said...

Lovely weather today in San Diego in the 70's while NXN last week was in the mid 20s with a chilly wind making it feel like 16 degrees. O'Keefe coming in 4th under those conditions is pretty awesome. We look forward to see what she can do in the next two years.

Anonymous said...

Aidan Goltra
Blair Hurlock
Trevor Reinhart
Fred Huxham
Tyler Olson
Chris Foster
Cameron Tu

I'm saying Goltra over Hurlock because the only race that you could compare when both of them were challenged and arguably the most important race was at State. Goltra the top finisher in his race and the top time of the day while Hurlock 4th in his race and ninth overall. I don't see how Hurlock could be NorCal Runner of the year over Goltra when Hurlock did not win the individual state title.
I also don't think that one could accurately compare results from the national meets because the two races are completely different. No way of telling if Hurlock or Goltra would of done if they raced in the opposite races.

Anonymous said...

@9:41
Are you completely disregarding Hurlock's first overall course record 14:29 at NCS to Goltras 14:43 second place overall? Goltra did not break 14:30 at all this season as far as I know

Anonymous said...

@9:41
Are you completely disregarding Blair's first place overall 14:29 finish at NCS to Goltra's second overall 14:43?

Did i mention that 14:29 is the fastest time ever recorded at Hayward?

Anonymous said...

Goltra, because he is just a winner. In both last year and this year's CIF state meet he outkicked/held off very capable Southern section guys and did what it took to win. Blair is an aggressive racer, and it was absolutely thrilling to watch him lead Footlocker today. However, Goltra just closes the deal so well, and when it counted most for him too. Regardless of whoever gets chosen, we are undoubtably dealing with two of the best NCS runners within the last 20-30 years.

Anonymous said...

The fact that we're dealing with the Goltra/Hurlock battle is a high quality problem for us as Northern Californians indeed, we're lucky to have them representing us. Short of splitting the award into a co-NorCal Runner of the Year award this year, I think the edge still goes to Goltra. The guy doesn't race to get the fastest time, he races to get the win and I think that's the difference between being good and being great. That's why he's got two rings now.

Anonymous said...

@ 10:00
Yes, Hurlock did run a faster time at NCS, but he was on his own and so was Goltra. They both won their respective races that day which is great. I think the difference between Hurlock and Goltra for NCS was that Hurlock was running a time trial and Goltra was just going for the win. Hurlock could of easily went slower and still won considering that he finished a whole minute in front of second place. Goltra on the other hand still ran a time good enough to win the race. Hurlock even said after his race that, "It's cool I got the record, but the main focus is state."

The same thing happened last track season. At NCS Tri-Valley Hurlock threw down times of 4:15, and 9:26 while Goltra ran a 9:31. NCS MOC rolls around and both of them are only running the 3200. Goltra ran a 9:16 over Hurlock's 9:17. And at State Goltra finished 9th in 9:10 and Hurlock was 11th in a 9:11. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Goltra performs in the most important of races and runs to win those races, not necessarily set a time record.

Anonymous said...

As a sophomore O'keefe is very talented but looking at Maxwell as a Senior - considering the adversity she overcame from last year. I will give her the respect for having the most courage, tenacity and guts throughout the State! You can keep your Norcal myopic chant going but Anna Maxwell ran with character and humility all year without a challenger to push her along. Running Solo gets props from me.

Anonymous said...

Ed Sias - Hurlock 18 sec. faster than Goltra. Hurlock wins DLS Invitational. Stanford - Hurlock 25 sec. faster than Goltra. Hurlock sets course record at Newhall Park. Hurlock runs faster than Goltra at Shadow Cliffs. Hurlock runs faster than Goltra at NCS and sets a course record. Hurlock runs slower than Goltra at State. Goltra finishes 4th fastest Californian at NXN and takes 23rd. Hurlock finishes as fastest Californian and finishes 8th at Foot Locker. You can give them a co-runner of the year, but you can't tell Hurlock he was worse than Goltra this year.

Anonymous said...

And Hurlock won Mt.SAC team sweepstakes. Who was the last NorCal boy to do that? Don't say he's not a winner.

Anonymous said...

@11:01, I wasn't one of the commenters above, but what your post mixed with theirs tells me is that Goltra knows how to prioritize the right race and Hurlock doesn't. The fact that Goltra has two rings now is not something to be written off simply because the other guy went some fast times. I think the co-champion idea could be worth exploring.

Anonymous said...

I would like to add to what 8:04PM had to say about Anna Maxwell.
Her first three years she had two outstanding runners to compete against in her own league...Nikki Hiltz (State 1600 champ) and Vanessa Fraser (2-time Div 4 XC champ)
This year she virtually ran time trials up to the Footlocker races. She ran unchallenged through league meets, major Invites, even her State meet(Div 4), yet she put up great times in each race.
Last year she had some problems (not sure what) at the end of the year. She ran great up until her league finals. She faded badly at league, collapsed at CCS finals and finished almost last in the State meet(195 of 202). But she FINISHED. Most runners, myself included, would have dropped out.
Here was a girl used to winning races now struggling just to finish.
That alone isn't enough to earn her NorCal runner of the year, but when you take that into consideration along with the outstanding season she had, finishing behind just one California girl all year, she deserves to win.
I recognize that O'Keefe also deserves to win. TOUGH CHOICE!

Anonymous said...

@ 8:04pm -- You are entitled to your opinion, but please don't insult those who believe O'Keeffe is the NorCal runner of the year.

Anonymous said...

Why not have a the two boys share the honor? They both came from the same club team (Kevin McCarthy's) and are friends.

Anonymous said...

I don't get how less competition stacks up in her favor. Okeefe faced competition and won against most of it except baxter at clovis and the big 3 at nationals who are onanother level. Isnt ist more impressive that one beats tougher competition

Anonymous said...

Boys Sophomore of the Year is Cameron Gaskell. Compare the seasons of Gaskell, Salazar and Teare:

Stanford Inv.: Gaskell 16:11, Teare 16:41, Salazar 16:46

Clovis (Woodward Park) Gaskell 15:28, Salazar DNR, Teare DNR

Mt. Sac Inv.(2.93): Gaskell 15:21, Salazar 15:26, Teare 15:52

NCS: Gaskell 15:25, Salazar 15:26, Teare 15:32

State Meet (Woodward Park): Salazar 15:51, Gaskell 16:02, Teare 16:30

FootLocker West (Mt. Sac 5K): Salazar 16:16, Gaskell DNR, Teare DNR

Albert Caruana said...

Thank you all for the comments and for keeping it all positive.

Cooper Teare is actually a freshman. I think Kevin Lehr of St. Ignatius is another sophomore in the mix. I am still working on my lists so I am sure I am missing someone as well.

Gaskell is a very good choice though. He's definitely in the discussion for sophomore of the year.

Anonymous said...

To: 11:25AM,
The point about Maxwell not having any competition up until Footlocker was that she ran FAST times solo. When they compiled the combined results her times were as fast (within seconds) or faster than everyone except Baxter.
Don't you run faster when being challenged?
Time trials are never as fast as RACES!

Anonymous said...

I was the poster at 1:45, sorry if my comment in misinterpreted. I am not affiliated with the Campo program in any way, was just making the observation that Gaskell is in a comparable situation as Goltra was a couple years back. Feel free to delete at your discretion.

Anonymous said...

I laugh every year because this is all Campolindo. When it is their athlete that fades at the end of the year they argue the entire season start to finish is most important. Then they pick and choose which "big" meet matters most when it is close. A few years ago it was NCS, not it is State. Some years it is the post season. Funny the bias on these things that seems to all come from one school.

There should be a new poll though. Who cares about rankings more, St. Francis of Mountain View or Campolindo!

Anonymous said...

^^^
Yeah, Goltra REALLY choked at the end of the season when he got unanimously fist at State.

Anonymous said...

Kevin Lehr should be Sophomore of the year. Sweeping all WCAL races and then finishing on a high note at State with the time of 15:41.

Anonymous said...

ok say she ran against okeefe. Sure it might make Maxwell faster, or tire out, or make okeefe run faster. Its too unpredictable. You cant make her runner of the year based on what ifs

Anonymous said...

SJS fans are probably backing O'Keeffe. CCS fans Maxwell. Both are deserving.

Anonymous said...

What if Maxwell finished 5th at Footlocker National?
What if Maxwell ran the 5th fastest time in the 42 year history of Crystal Springs?
What if Maxwell won her league, section and state meets?
WHAT IF? Oh, she did accomplish all of the above, but she doesn't deserve to be named NorCal runner of the year based on 'what ifs.'????

Anonymous said...

@11:16 I get your point. Goltra came through at state meet, big time. But if you look at "head-to-head" races, it's 3-1 Hurlock. Seems like Hurlock had a bad day at state. But to finish top 10 at Foot Locker West and Nationals is pretty elite. Also, Hurlock got two course records. It's okay to split the award, but Hurlock has to get at least a share.

Anonymous said...

In reply to 2:18PM
Anna Maxwell's season:
Stanford Invite.. WON by :41 sec
Crystal Invite.. WON by :59 sec
Mt SAC.. WON by :41 sec
League(SCCAL..) WON by :55 sec over a 4:48 1600 runner
CCS.. WON by 1:05 sec
State.. Won by :44 sec
Footlocker West.. 2nd Cal girl
Footlocker National.. 5th, 1st Cal girl

Anonymous said...

some people are getting way to sensitive about this. Nobody is saying Maxwell didn't have a great year. The what if thing cameup from the argument that if she ran with faster people she would be faster. Other then Stanford, there is no argument for Maxwell over okeefe,. okeefe was better at mt sac and states following that, while setting sophmore records and getting up there on the all time list along with a course record at willow hills and a impressive 4th place performance at nike nationals against toughercompetition. That is why Maxwell isn't runner of the year

Anonymous said...

and those victory margins justshow the lack of competition shes faced

Anonymous said...

Why are Sophomore records continually being brought up regarding O'Keeffe? The debate is about NorCal runner of the year, not sophomore runner of the year. As was pointed out earlier Maxwell and O'Keeffe ran exactly the same total times for Stanford, Mt SAC and State. Maxwell's margin's of victory may have been an indication of the lack of competition, but that doesn't mean she didn't run fast times, SHE DID!
5:48PM..if any one is being too sensitive... it seems like it might be you. No one else seems emotional. It's fine to be passionate, but don't cast accusations that you yourself are guilty of.
Most people seem to be citing facts or stating opinions. That's how it should be.

Anonymous said...

Pretty sure there are three people on this thread. Two people going back and forth and me. Reminds me of letsrun.

Anonymous said...

7:36PM,
You may be right! I just went back and counted the number of times that I've responded. It's seven. I assume that you're referring to the Maxwell-O'Keeffe debate.
I stated that it's a TOUGH CHOICE, but I have to admit that I'm leaning towards Maxwell. (Not to take anything away from O'Keeffe.)

Anonymous said...

First time I have commented on this thread.
What is the criteria for Nor Cal Runner of the Year?
Is it who overcame the most adversity? Or who ran the fastest?

Albert Caruana said...

There is no criteria. Each voter can select the members of the team based on their own criteria.

Andrew said...

Sophomore records are mentioned because it brings up just how historic O'Keeffe's races have been. We know she and Maxwell are great and fast. But to put it in a historical context can show how good they have been compared to past eras. Things like saying "Maxwell ran the 5th fastest time in Crystal Spring history" puts that performance in context as an all-time great run. That's why O'Keeffe's sophomore record at state is mentioned. Because it beat Sarah Baxter's and Jordan Hasay's and Sara Bei's sophomore times and puts her along those names.

Anonymous said...

O'Keeffe set the course record at Willow Hills (site of many league champs and the SJS section champs) by beating the second place finisher by 52 seconds. So while not having any direct competition, she not only won the race, but ran the course the fastest it has ever been run by any female runner of any grade. She then broke her own record 2 weeks later.

Anonymous said...

I was responding in particular to the comment 4:39 should have been more specific,it was over the what if comment. As it is, its a fun debate to have over a couple of very good runners, not trying to start an argument over such a little thing.

Anonymous said...

I think 8:58 Andrew has nailed it. I might also point out that not only is Okeefe's soph time a Woodward Park record for that grade level (faster than Baxter, Bei, Hasay, and I'll add Julia Stamps to the list), but she is 4th fastest girl on the ALL-TIME list regardless of class level, following Baxter, Stamps and Amber Trotter. Okeefe is getting recognition for sure, but I think all the hype surrounding Baxter and Efraimson this year has caused many to not actually look at the times and recognize how fast she really is. When you look at the numbers, it's pretty amazing/exciting.

Albert Caruana said...

It's pretty clear that there are some very good runners up for NorCal runner of the year. Aside from O'Keeffe and Maxwell, you also have Sarah Robinson, who in any other year, would have a great shot of claiming the award. You can also add Lauren Larocco and Brighie Leach who also had very successful seasons. On the boys side, you can also add Trevor Reinhart who won his league, set a record setting time at the section meet, finished 2nd at state and 12th at Footlocker. Fred Huxham also had a great season (15:08 at state) but was out shined by Goltra being in the same division.

Anonymous said...

Letsrun.com merged the speed ratings from the NXN and Foot Locker races. In the mythical top ten, only Haney and Wilmot make the top 10. Hurlock is 9th, in front of Haney. That's a pretty good finish to the season.

Andrew said...

^why did I see that as a good opportunity to go to LetsRun and read the forums? it is NEVER a good idea

Anonymous said...

Though it may never be good to visit LetsRun, I did. I discovered that LetsRun merged Footlocker and NXN to come up with THEIR mythical team.
The top Cal girls:
3- Baxter
8- Maxwell
10- Biles

They stated that though the top 3 of the NXN race was better, they thought that Footlocker was deeper.

One more vote for Maxwell over O'Keeffe.

Anonymous said...

Just how reliable is letsrun.com? who the heck is this Biles?

Anonymous said...

My mistake. Biles is from Utah. California had two runners on the letsrun mythical team: Baxter 3rd and Maxwell 8th. (A combined NXN, Footlocker ranking)

Anonymous said...

Interesting. Another "combined rankings" of the NXN and Footlocker performances had O'Keefe and Maxwell with the exact same estimated performance.

The ranking was done by the same guy who does the Dyestat.com rankings (I think). You can read the thread here if you're interested: http://www.runnerspace.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=884078&view=findpost&p=934527

I think it goes to show that they both had tremendous seasons; either one's season would have been the best for a NorCal girl in a while. Track season should be very interesting.

Anonymous said...

The dyestat rankings after FL and NXN have Maxwell and O'Keeffe tied at 152.5 and tied for 8th nationally! (If I'm reading their rankings correctly)
Three of their big meets: Stanford, Mt Sac and State had them run the same total time to the SECOND!
How do you rank one in front of the other?
If there was ever a case for co-NorCal runners of the year, this is it.

Anonymous said...

I think the Goltra, Hurlock debate is going to be really tight. Both of them deserve it

Anonymous said...

2013: The year there were 4 Runners of the Year...

Anonymous said...

Can anyone recall a year that the decision of Nor Cal Runner of the year was so closely contested?

Anonymous said...

Not really sure how the girls race is that close

Anonymous said...

To 9:19PM,
How can you not see why the girl's race is so close?
Who do you think is the clear winner?
Why?
Have you looked at the results or are you swayed for personal reasons?
There seems to have been a late surge in the voting for Maxwell.
This thread is no longer on the first page, so it is unlikely to be read.

Anonymous said...

The fact is Okeefe had better results at two meets then one over Maxwell where they both took place however slight

Anonymous said...

How did Maxwell get like 40 votes in one day???

Anonymous said...

2:54PM,
The fact is that Maxwell and O'Keeffe never ran head to head. They ran in separate races at three different races.
Maxwell ran faster at Stanford in the early race.
O'Keeffe ran faster at Mt SAC and State in the early races.
2 seconds separated them at State (no matter 'how slight'..2 seconds!)
If you've ever run a race then you know that temperature can play a HUGE role.
And you can't understand why it is so close?

Anonymous said...

"2 seconds separated them at State (no matter 'how slight'..2 seconds!)"

No, O'Keefe ran 9 seconds faster than Maxwell at the State Meet.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't O'Keefe chased by Destiny Collins and Marissa Williams at State? 2 high quality runners in their own right. Great race to watch on line and certainly worthy of 9 seconds over 3 miles.

Anonymous said...

Maxwell ran a CIF Division IV course record at State by over 16 seconds over the likes of stars like Cami Chapus.

Albert Caruana said...

Wow, somebody really wanted Anna to have the most votes. Fortunately, the decision for NorCal runner of the year won't be decided by this poll.

Anonymous said...

Just so everyone knows Teare from SJND is a freshman not a sophomore.

Anonymous said...

Albert (10:52PM),
I'm assuming that everyone gets just one vote (I know that I only voted once).
If that's the case, it appears that the late surge by Maxwell is either a coincident or an effort by some to rally friends in her support. O'Keefe took an early lead, so I suppose you could say that her fans got behind her early.
If Maxwell's and O'Keefe's seasons are as evenly matched as they seem.(LetsRun having Maxwell slightly ahead and dyestat having them dead even) and you want just one NorCal runner of the year then you need additional criteria.
I would argue the following:
1- The adversity Maxwell overcame. Almost last to first at the State meet. (2012-2013)
2- Maxwell is a Senior. If O'Keefe is the real deal, which I believe she is, she has two more shots at NorCal runner of the year. She may eventually be a two time winner.

Anonymous said...

Albert - your not suggesting course tampering? at least on my computer you vote once and then it does not allow you to vote again. Could it not be that a runner who has made a arguably significant impact over the last four years in both Cross Country and Track may have at least a few fans! Those who have watched the SCCAL/CCS Trio duke it out may not have known anything about the sport until those three earned their respect.

Anonymous said...

I'd wager that this blog is more popular with the CCS crowd than the SJS folks. Thus it is no surprise that Maxwell is ahead in the poll. That said, I do not see how one can argue that Maxwell had the better season. Of the common courses O'Keeffe and Maxwell ran, O'Keeffe was faster on 2 of 3, with both coming in the latter part of the season. O'Keeffe also ran in the more competitive (at least at the top end) national event and turned in an outstanding effort.

Anonymous said...

Ok dad!

Anonymous said...

Dyestat.com just released their final national rankings, and they have O'Keefe in 8th and Maxwell in 9th.

http://www.runnerspace.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=889038

Pretty sure O'Keefe's dad didn't write that! Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you're related to the runners, 8:03.

Anonymous said...

So Where do you go from here? Maxwell or O'Keefe? Maxwell representing her Country during the Summer, while others building there base and strength. Maxwell runs Stanford, huge Lead on wet Stanford Course while O'Keefe has a dry and warmer Course. Mt Sac, Maxwell runs away with Win in Warm and Humid Conditions and O'Keefe runs in perfect Conditions the Next Morning. State, O'Keefe gets to run in earlier races with runners in close range and Maxwell runs Later without being pushed and the conditions gets worse as the the Day goes by with dust being created by the Cart on the Cours, especially the last few races of the Day. O'keefe runs well at NXN in 17:31 and Looking at the Course Record, Maxwell actually Held that from the Previous year in 17:37 at Nike Pre-Nationals. NXN Had the Stars but Footlocker had the Depth. Good Luck!

Anonymous said...

@7:44 am

"O'Keeffe also ran in the more competitive (at least at the top end) national event"

Are we forgetting the Jr. Worlds in Ukraine this summer? I would say that Maxwell took on the more competitive event.

Anonymous said...

The team being selected is the All NorCal Cross Country Team. I believe the Youth World Championships in Ukraine was a Track event.

Anonymous said...

Justin Robison from lynbrook should be a sophomore contender. Ran 15:25 at Crystal springs for CCS

Anonymous said...

Yes, Ukraine was a T&F event, but no one should make a case for O'Keeffe by implying that Maxwell shys away from difficult competitions/events.

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Anonymous said...

Cooper Teare (SJND), Willie Mein (SJND) and Owen Woo (St. Mary's) are looking strong as freshman in the TCAL leauge, a very strong one.

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