Tuesday, May 31, 2011

CCS and NCS Meet Videos and Coverage...

Great discussion about the 1600m. DQ of Kyle Rae at CCS so I moved this post back to the top of the page.
CCS
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?p=PL18CE9780063A8DE2
http://www.youtube.com/user/TMCTrack#g/c/847367B1FBED0402

NCS (Races are archived as part of the live webcast)
http://www.livestream.com/ncschampionships

NCS girls track:  Trio of East Bay athletes notch multiple wins at Meet of Champions

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

Do you have any idea why Trinity Wilson of SMB did not run the 200? Was she injured in the HH race? Disappointed that she didnt run. She seems to run only when she and her coach want to.

Albert Caruana said...

No idea.

Anonymous said...

Do you think the DQ in the boys 1600 was right?

Anonymous said...

Actually this was posted in the cctimes-online on Trinity wilson.

However, Wilson said that her left leg started irritating her right before the race. After warming up for the 200, she decided not to compete in that event, in which she had the top qualifying time.

"I decided it was smarter for me not to run the 200 and save everything for state," she said.

Albert Caruana said...

I can't say if the DQ was right or wrong. The official had to make a subjective decision based on what he saw that moment with no help from looking at the incident on video.

Anonymous said...

Team title? Don't see the team scores. Who won for boys and girls? Maybe DLS for boys and compolinda for girls?

Albert Caruana said...

I believe it was the James Logan girls and St. Mary's boys. I am more positive about the girls winner.

Anonymous said...

Wait, did Kyle Rae get disqualified, and if so why?

Anonymous said...

The ncs 1600 was both fast and exciting with 9 runners at 4:20 and faster.

Anonymous said...

You can watch the ccs 1600 and judge for yourself. One can only feel sorry for both runners as Rae's move into lane 2 does appear to cause Rivera to trip and fall. They would have finished 2-3 with both qualifying to state.

Anonymous said...

It appeared an appeal was filed after the 1600 in order to get Rivera a qualifying spot to state. It took over an hour after the race before the CCS boys 1600 results were announced (with the finishers waiting for awards on the infield). Would any of the finishers ahead of Rivera had given up their spot so Rivera could go?

Albert Caruana said...

NCS 1600 was a great race. That is definitely the deepest 1600 in a long while. 7th place this year was sub 4:19 and you would have to go back many years to find an NCS MOC race faster than that.

As for the CCS 1600, that was just very unfortunate. From the video, it doesn't appear that there was any intent by Rae to obstruct Rivera. As you said, all three would have easily qualified if he incident didn't take place.

Since Rivera eventually finished 7th, it would have taken a lot of drops ahead of him to make the state meet. I believe his coach was asking for a run-off since his runner was clearly in state meet contention and was impeded. At the NCS meet, a similar incident took place in the 300m. hurdles and there will be run-off for the 4th qualifying spot.

Anonymous said...

The DQ process began immediately after the incident occured. The coach of the fallen runner did not need to file a protest, even if he/she did. For the previous poster that mentioned intent, it is a moot point. Intent has nothing to do with anything.

Anonymous said...

What was being discussed that took over an hour before results were announced? The end result looked like the discussion was pretty straight forward by disqualifying one runner and not altering the order of finish. The first two athletes that finished had other races to compete while waiting for awards in the infield and the team competition, which the DQ'd athlete's team was still in the hunt for the title while waiting for the decision, may have dictated strategy in the 3200 for the DQ'd 1600 meeter runner.

Anonymous said...

That is so ridiculous, there is no way Rae should have been DQ'd. He can't control what happens behind him. I don't see how his movement even caused the other runner to trip.

Anonymous said...

The DQ was a ridiculous call, and I feel bad for the Bellarmine kid. He was drifting outward a bit, which happens in nearly every world class race, and the kid behind him was a good step back. No way that that impeded him. I realize that the officials are almost certainly volunteers, but what a shame to have some under-qualified race officials give a senior a silly DQ and deprive him the opportunity to go to state. The call is so laughably bad, the officials should be embarrassed.

Anonymous said...

To be a contrarian, despite watching from the opposite side of the track, it was apparent to me Rivera chopped his stride which resulted in his loss of balance and eventual fall. The stride chop happened suddenly and Rivera never showed a loss of speed or balance leading up to it. In my mind, only one thing could have happened to cause him to lose his balance. The officials followed the rule book and should not be blasted as unqualified for doing their duty. As much as others feel badly for the DQ'd runner, I believe Rivera is the tragic character in this drama.

Anonymous said...

To the "contrarian" previous poster, that kind of logic is entirely the problem. "Only one thing could have happened"...come on, are you serious? A DQ can't be based on an inference. And, if you watch the video, your inference will be shown wrong. Sure, the Bellarmine kid was drifting out, but he was a good stride ahead. If anything, the kid who fell tried to cut back inside and lost his balance and fell. That, and the kid's exhaustion, caused him to fall.

Anonymous said...

Have you seen the video from behind? And the other one, taken from straight on? If you ever do, your opinion will change. Videos taken from the side (from the stands) do not do the situation justice.

Anonymous said...

Where are those available? I doubt that a from-behind or from-the-front video will be better because you can't tell how far ahead or behind the runners are from each other. There's no question that Rae moved into lane 2, but what's relevant is whether he impeded Rivera (and I don't think he did because Rivera was already a stride back), and I'm not sure it's going to be more clear from the front or behind. But I'd be interested in seeing those videos if they're available online.

Anonymous said...

the videos online already show the athletes' relative position to each other. thank you for admitting that the runner in front moved into lane 2. now go back and watch the video you have and notice how he makes a quick and unexpected move to his right (further into lane 2). this is very difficult to do using the online videos, but easy to do when viewing the race from the front or back. since you never saw these viewpoints, but the officials did, you should now consider apologizing for your earlier comments about the professionalism of said officials. you weren't there, on the track, with the view that they had. if instead, you choose to reiterate that the bellarmine runner was robbed, please, please, try to realize who the real victim was. you should also review the rules with regards to what "a stride back" really means.

NCS Bro said...

Ahem..... someone asked about the NCS team scores

For boys it went St. May's, Heritage, then DLS and Las Lomas tied for third.