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Saturday, November 17, 2012

NCS XC MOC Meet '12 Data...

Boys' 1st team All-NCS
1 1 Aidan Goltra 11 3 Campolindo 15:30 5:10 T
1 1 John Lawson 12 4 Sir Francis Drake 15:45 5:15 T
1 1 Tariku Abdo 10 1 Berkeley 15:48 5:16 I
2 2 Fred Huxham 11 3 Redwood 15:50 5:17 I
1 1 Trevor Reinhart 10 5 Marin Academy 15:51 5:17 T
1 1 Ryan Anderson 11 2 Maria Carrillo 15:55 5:19 T
2 2 Louis Rodrigues 12 5 St. Joseph Notre Dame 15:55 5:19 T

Boys' 2nd team All-NCS
2 2 Clayton Hutchins 12 4 Sir Francis Drake 15:57 5:19 T
3 3 James Kinney 11 5 Marin Academy 15:57 5:19 T
2 2 Carter Mackey 10 1 Castro Valley 16:00 5:20 I
3 3 Tyler Hanson 12 3 Miramonte 16:01 5:21 T
3 3 Luke Williams 11 1 De La Salle 16:01 5:21 T
4 4 Carl Wilke         12 1 San Ramon Valley 16:02 5:21 T
5 5 Matt Schumann 10 1 De La Salle 16:04 5:22 T

Boys' 3rd team All-NCS
4 4 Connor Clark         12 5 University Hs (sf) 16:06 5:22 I
4 4 Danny Stalters 12 3 Northgate 16:06 5:22 I
3 3 Jaime Silva         12 4 Piner 16:06 5:22 T
2 2 Matt Salazar          9 2 Casa Grande 16:06 5:22 I
5 5 Michael Murphy 10 5 St. Joseph Notre Dame 16:08 5:23 T
6 6 Matthew Murphy 10 5 St. Joseph Notre Dame 16:08 5:23 T
6 6 Zach Hanze         12 1 San Ramon Valley 16:09 5:23 T

Honorable Mention
7 7 Walker Willett 12 5 Urban School (sf) 16:11 5:24 I
7 7 Jason Intravaia 11 1 San Ramon Valley 16:13 5:25 T
8 8 Connor McCarthy 12 1 Amador Valley 16:14 5:25 I
3 3 Patrick Leary 12 2 Livermore 16:14 5:25 T
4 4 Jackson Crose 10 2 Livermore 16:14 5:25 T
5 5 Eugene Hamilton III 12 3 Bishop O'dowd 16:14 5:25 T
6 6 Ryan Douglas 12 3 Petaluma 16:16 5:26 I

Girls' 1st team All-NCS
1  1 Julia Maxwell 11 5 Branson  17:22  5:48  T
1 1 Jena Pianin 12 1 Amador Valley 17:56 5:59 T
2 2 Christine Bayliss 10 1 San Ramon Valley 17:59 6:00 I
3 3 Diribe Abdo 10 1 Berkeley 18:01 6:01 I
4 4 Megan McCandless 9 1 Granada 18:12 6:04 T
5 5 Brooke Starn 9 1 Monte Vista 18:16 6:06 I
1 1 Chloe Pigg 9 4 Arcata 18:23 6:08 T

Girls' 2nd team All-NCS
1 1 Annie Marggraff 12 3 Acalanes 18:25 6:09 T
2 2 Brighid Leach 10 3 Campolindo 18:27 6:09 T
3 3 Kelly Collins 12 3 Acalanes 18:35 6:12 T
4 4 Chloe Hansel 9 3 Las Lomas 18:47 6:16 T
2  2 Anna Harleen 11 5 Branson  18:49  6:17  T
6 6 Maryann Gong 12 1 Granada 18:54 6:18 T
7  Steenalisa Tilcock 12 1 Freedom 18:56 6:19 I
5 5 Isabel Moon 11 3 Novato 18:56 6:19 I

Girls' 3rd team All-NCS
6 6 Megan Bordes 12 3 Redwood 18:59 6:20 T
3  3 Molly Dicke 11 5 Lick Wilmerding  19:00  6:20  T
8 7 Katharine Smiley 12 1 Monte Vista 19:08 6:23 I
4  Erin Thomas 11 5 Mendocino  19:08  6:23  I
5  4 Jennie Callan 12 5 University Hs (sf)  19:11  6:24  T
1 1 Ashley Moffett 12 2 Casa Grande 19:11 6:24 T
7 7 Caith Wright 10 3 Acalanes 19:15 6:25 T

Honorable Mention
2 2 Hannah Haley 11 2 Windsor 19:18 6:26 I
9 8 Nicole Anthony 11 1 Castro Valley 19:19 6:27
6  5 Kimberly Avalos 12 5 St. Joseph Notre Dame  19:21  6:27  I
10 9 Biritu Abdo 10 1 Berkeley 19:23 6:28
8 8 Bella Amyx 10 3 Tamalpais 19:23 6:28 I
3 3 Alexandra Hernandez 11 2 Livermore 19:26 6:29 I
4 4 Sonia Xu 11 2 Alameda 19:28 6:30 I

Fastest boys' team times at Hayward from 1999, 2001, '02, '04-'12
1) Campolindo '11 77:53
2) Campolindo '08 77:55
3) Petaluma '08 78:02
4) San Ramon Valley '11 78:29
5) Piner '11 78:34
6) Petaluma '07 78:52
7) Monte Vista '07 78:59
8) San Ramon Valley '09 79:06
9) Castro Valley '09 79:08
10) College Park '08 79:25

Fastest girs' team times at Hayward from 1999, 2001, '02, '04-'12
1) Campolindo '11 90:29
2) Carondelet '06 91:47
3) Campolindo '10 91:48 
4) Carondelet '07 92:14
5) Maria Carrillo '04 92:42
6) Bishop O'Dowd '04 92:46
7) Livermore '08 92:54
8) Acalanes '11 92:58 
9) Montgomery '02 93:19
10) Maria Carrillo '09 93:25

BOYS
Fastest #1 Runner
1 1 Aidan Goltra 11 3 Campolindo 15:30 5:10 T
Fastest #2 Runner
2 2 Clayton Hutchins 12 4 Sir Francis Drake 15:57 5:19 T   
3 3 James Kinney 11 5 Marin Academy 15:57 5:19 T          
Fastest #3 Runner
6 6 Matthew Murphy 10 5 St. Joseph Notre Dame 16:08 5:23 T
Fastest #4 Runner
11 11 Charlie Fenoglio 12 1 San Ramon Valley 16:27 5:29 T
Fastest #5 Runner
12 12 Jake Pisenti 12 1 San Ramon Valley 16:28 5:30 T
Fastest #6 Runner
25 25 Tyler Gambill 11 1 San Ramon Valley 16:49 5:37 T
Fastest #7 Runner
35 35 Zach Beston 10 1 Amador Valley 17:01 5:41 

GIRLS
Fastest #1 Runner
1  1 Julia Maxwell 11 5 Branson  17:22  5:48  T
Fastest #2 Runner
3 3 Kelly Collins 12 3 Acalanes 18:35 6:12 T
Fastest #3 Runner
7 7 Caith Wright 10 3 Acalanes 19:15 6:25 T
Fastest #4 Runner
12 12 Amy Hollshwandner 12 3 Acalanes 19:38 6:33 T
Fastest #5 Runner
22 21 Sarah Franklin 11 1 Granada 20:09 6:43 T
Fastest #6 Runner
28 25 Kim Sannajust 11 1 Amador Valley 20:24 6:48 T
Fastest #7 Runner
37 33 Juliet Logan 11 1 Amador Valley 20:51 6:57 T

Teams Qualifying Both Boys and Girls Teams to State Meet
Maria Carrillo (Division II)
Acalanes (Division III)
Campolindo (Division III)
St. Mary's Berkeley (Division IV)
Lick Wilmerding (Division V)
Marin Academy (Division V)

31 comments:

Steve Palladino said...

1) comparing some returning runners in both boys and girls races from last year to this year, it appears the rain and slop slowed the time by at least 45, and probably 50 seconds or more this year. Any other estimates out there?

2) is it possible that the course also became a few seconds slower as the day passed and the course became more sloppy? If so, it unfortunately does create some minor valdity issue with selecting all NCS across all divisions.

Anonymous said...

Also note the races earlier in the day were running in dry (correction: more dry) races and the rain began pouring on and off starting at approximately 10am. Great performances by everyone, however!

Albert Caruana said...

Valid points and not sure of a fair way to do this so I just go by times. Conditions change during a meet as happened today but some of the faster times took place later in the day.

Anonymous said...

The course was really bad throughout the day, even for the first race of the day is was a total swamp with runners slipping and falling everywhere

Steve Palladino said...

Albert, the way that you are listing All-NCS is the only way that it can be done. Coming up with conversion factors for deterioration in course conditions in this case is very hard to do, as opposed to coming up with a conversion factor for escalating heat during the course of some of the hotter early meets.

Ok, now to change it up, some NCS data from the perspective of a Maria Carillo parent:
Ryan Anderson 2011 NBL JV finals = 12th -> 2012 NCS D2 = 1st. Nice development, Ryan.
MCHS Girls scorers today: soph, soph, frosh, soph, soph

Anonymous said...

do people think the course was worse today, or worse two years ago?

Albert Caruana said...

Had to be today.

Anonymous said...

who had the fastest team times today??

Albert Caruana said...

San Ramon Valley for the boys and Acalanes for the girls.

Anonymous said...

How many years has it been since University did NOT qualify for State?

Anonymous said...

My son ran two years ago and again yesterday. I asked him his opinion on the course. He felt the wind and sideways rain was worse two years ago but the ground was far more saturated this year. He fell three times two years ago, learned from it and managed to stay on his feet this year. I was also happy they did a better job pruning the blackberry bushes this time. Two years ago the race was muddy and bloody. This year, not so much blood!
I think the conditions probably added 30 seconds to the times for those who were able to stay upright and manage the elements.

Anonymous said...

Wow SRV and Acalanes the fastest teams! No one picked those two to win their division and they end up being the fastest teams in NCS, congrats to them.

Anonymous said...

who were fastest #4 and #5 runners on the boys side?

Albert Caruana said...

I am looking. If anybody can help find the missing runners, please add them here and I will fill them in. It's a little more difficult to find without the timer posting combined race results.

Anonymous said...

Seems like the Hayward course gets sloppy fast. Does the Ukiah course (or others) drain better? I realize that everyone faces the same conditions, but it's too bad the times and potentially the results are skewed by who can avoid the most puddles.

Anonymous said...

Avoid them? Just race.

Anonymous said...

yesterday was a real CROSS COUNTRY RACE. Everyone throughout the day ran through the same stuff. It doesnt get much better than hayward if you ask me.

Anonymous said...

At Fresno's Woodward Park, there is a rainy day course that consists primarily of asphalt which has been used a few times I believe. A site that can handle both a normal day as well as a rainy day would seem to be ideal. If that flexibility is desirable for the State meet why not the NCS meet?

JimS

Anonymous said...

Saturdays racing was great. Everyone seems to understand the time and in both the boys and girl races, they seemed to be inspired by the conditions. Hayward did seem to get wetter much faster this year but it remains my favorite course. The viewing on this course can't be beat - you see about 95% of the racing vs the typical 10 - 15%.

Kevin McCarthy said...

I did an analysis of the EBAL varsity boys between EBAL finals at Shadow Cliffs and Hayward. I excluded a few anomalies (Messman, McCarthy, Beston) and got an average decrease of 49 seconds. From past studies, the Hayward course runs about 5 seconds slower than Shadow Cliffs. Thus this year's muddy Hayward course is about 44 seconds slower than a dry Hayward course.

Andrew said...

What's a good course conversion rate for Hayward to Woodward now?

Hank's site says its over 1 minute and I find that hard to believe given how well Amador Valley ran it at Clovis and they didn't look nearly as good as they did at EBAL or NCS. XCstats doesn't even have Woodward Park either.

Marty Beene said...

Just did a quick calc comparing WACC finals with this race for girls (will try to do boys in a bit). Times were slower by about 15 seconds for DI, about 45 seconds slower for DII and DIII.

Marty Beene said...

Boys WACC vs. NCS: DI about 30 seconds slower; DII/III/IV about 35 seconds slower. (BTW, the girls comparison above does include DIV with DII/III.)

Peter Brewer said...

Running in the mud became a badge of honor as the day wore on. The question I'd like to investigate is not how much the weather and the conditions affected times, but affected the positions of teams. So far I haven't heard from anyone who felt that some deserving individual or team was so adversely affected by the slop to eliminate their possibility of advancement.

On a "cute" note, the kids that were bathing in the puddles on the basketball court did seem to be having fun at it.

Peter Brewer
Northgate

Anonymous said...

All you need is one person on your team who lets the "mud" get into their head and the team loses its position and points. The weather on Saturday was a game changer and sometimes an equalizer. The kids who ran well kept their composure.

Kevin McCarthy said...

2012 Hayward to Woodward Conversion: On a dry year, I rank Woodward as 23 seconds slower than Hayward for fast boys (sub 16 at Hayward). This year, Hayward ran 44 seconds slower than a dry year (D1 boys). This results in Woodward being 21 seconds faster than this year's muddy Hayward (44 - 23 = 21). This predicts a 15:40 for Luke Williams.

Bob Darling said...

The sloppy race conditions were an experience for all runners. My top girl runner Anna Shepard /Bay School of San Francisco was a long shot to qualify in D5. She executed our race plan and qualified for the state meet. This from a girl who avg 8 minutes a mile last year. So give a youth an opportunity to achieve under tough conditions and they will suprised you. The esteemed Peer Brewer was right about wearing mud on your legs as a badge of honor.
Bob Darling
Bay School of San Francisco

Nils said...

I watched Trevor Reinhart leap a puddle and winced; thankfully he landed fine but he took a chance of landing wrong on a very slippery patch and taking a very bad fall. He may have such control that he can land perfectly, but bad falls with real injuries were what I was worried about. Maybe I'm just a worry wart but that's what concerns me about a sloppy course. Were there any real injuries?

Anonymous said...

Matthew Murphy and Louis Rodrigues from SJND for the win!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Same conditions for NXN....who would complain there?

Albert Caruana said...

Definitely worse at NXN.

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