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Tuesday, December 15, 2015

MileSplitCA All-State Boys Team (Girls added today)

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

My problem with MileSplit is it's over reliance on using cross country times from different for comparison, especially from super fast SoCal courses. 3 miles at Woodbridge is not the same as Crystal Springs for example. This is why some of their choices for Boy's All-State are puzzling. For example on the 3rd team, Alexander Hirsch, Burroughs (Burbank) did not even compete at State while Tyler Janes, Martin Luther King, had the 139th fastest boys time on the day. Were they really worthy of being selected 3rd Team All-State? Make me think Jeff George just picked them out of a hat.

Albert Caruana said...

You can share your comment in the forum on milesplit. The link is at the bottom of the rankings. You can also contact Jeff George on twitter https://twitter.com/MilesplitCA. or at his email address ncmilesplit@gmail.com.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 1:58 - seemed like a few choices based on 3miles courses. or said differently, not enough notice of same course, same day time comparisons.

Anonymous said...

Albert, MS is great but we need a course converter built in when we are sorting. I would post the comment on the MS site but nobody seems to review those boards and Jeff has never answered an email. I know you have a say so can you make the suggestion to make the sorting and comparisons better? Thanks

Anonymous said...


Albert,

Just to add to the original post, one of the biggest issues I have with MileSplit is the lack of context and analysis in regards to cross country. Everything seems to be database driven and who has run the fastest time over a certain distance, which often times can be thrown out the window given the vast disparity in degree of difficulty (and accuracy) for courses in California.This makes for some very laughable meet previews at MileSplit (and year end rankings) where it clearly shows the writer's knowledge is questionable at best.

I understand California is a big state and it's hard to keep track of every runner beyond time and place (the other sites PrepCalTrack and DyeStatCal have this problem as well). This just makes me appreciate Cross Country Express even more as there is a lot of insightful analysis going into the previews and ranking on your site. BTW, your NCS preview was hands down the best write up I've seen on any site this season. Keep up the great work!

Albert Caruana said...

Thank you for the compliment about the NCS preview. I definitely spent a lot of time putting that together and I was very fortunate to get a lot of feedback from many coaches.

In regards to milesplit, I think it's all a work in progress. There is no question that many of the posts are very much data driven and courses are indeed hard to compare without a true course converter. I will definitely pass your feedback forward and hopefully the comparisons will improve in the future. The track coverage should be much better as you can truly compare events no matter where they are held.

Anonymous said...

Albert, I know you work with MileSpilt but given Jeff George's comments about the Boy's All-State team and his attempts to justify selections based on times, injuries, bad races, it only makes him look even less knowledgeable. As for the girls selection, there are a lot of head scratchers. One of the biggest is how does a girl get honorable mention when she takes 20th at the San Diego Section D2 race and then runs the 181st fastest time at State? Is it a lifetime achievement award?

SoCal Bias said...

One can argue MileSplit has a bit of a SoCal bias especially on the girls side of their All-State Team. Only 14 of the 32 girls selected were from NorCal, which is 43.75%. However of the top 32 girls times at State, 19 were from NorCal or 59.4%. Or out of all the girls running sub 18 at State (41), 23 were from NorCal which is 56% of the total. These numbers also don't reflect Rylee Bowen, who was named honorable mention for winning D5 at NCS and State, as her time was only 56th best on the day.

I know their criteria is not just performance at State but it does seem some NorCal girls were overlooked because there are more fast courses down South.

Anonymous said...

Woodbridge is a race track and should be discounted from 3-mile comp times without a disclaimer or course conversion. Period!

Anonymous said...

These things are really subjective, but agree, 2015 was a monumental year for Northern California runners. Just off the top of my head, we had: 2nd place at NXN, 2 NXN All Americans, 2 Foot Locker All Americans, several state champions and a whole bunch of top runners returning in 2016 (especially on the boy's side). Southern Cal web sites are going to do what they are going to do, we can just contribute to this site and help Albert promote the talent we all know exists here.

Anonymous said...

This list is 1 man's opinion and just looking at it that Robinson didn't make the list one of the NXN individual qualifiers which means top 5 in the State shows how ignorant the creator of this list is. When you create an all-State team look at "state" results first and this person clearly DID NOT DO THAT!!

Enough said.

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