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What do you suppose "First pass" means? (how it is referred to on lynbrooksports) Are they going to do a "second pass"?
Again, please use critical thinking. They will be posting again after scratches later in the week.
First pass means - Please scratch the athletes that you know you are scratching, so that we can post a 2nd pass which will move up some of the alternates after the First pass scratches have been removed.
I love Miles Meijer.
Gotta love all the made up lies coaches blatantly entered to get their kids into the meet! Check out the sprints, if they ran that fast why are they not on the top CCS list?
Coaches, please do not lie.
Can someone please justify why you do this? Post anonymously, but I am curious... Why?
Until someone verifies all the times and rejects any made up times, what you see is what you get. You figure with all the data online now, that should not be very difficult.
On the entry instructions, it clearly states "All times must be electronic to the thousands of a second (no hand times accepted)".
Considering that, it's amazing how many kids run .00.
It's tough to verify all marks on the F/S level (and although possible takes a ton of time). However, at the Varsity level it is quite easy (though still time consuming) and bogus marks will not be accepted for the Varsity meet. I personally verify every mark in the FAST heat (since some of the marks in the 2nd heat are not fast enough to be tracked) so I can say that the Top 8 will actually be running in the Top 8.
hank
Hank you do an amazing job and incredibly valuable to our sport. But you shouldnt have to do this, coaches should be honest.
Perhaps direct athletics should make a space for coaches to put the meet, the date and time. Liars will outed and their intire team not be admitted into the meet. I'm even fine if they used last years time but please... Coaches, don't make up times. You've had enough meets to have a time. It's not the first meet of the year, you know better.
St. Francis has 3 Frosh/Soph that all ran 5:00.00 for 1600!
I will do some comparisons after the meet and see how close athletes come to their entry teams.
@Anonymous 9:27, while "First Pass" does imply a second pass, it isn't immediately obvious (and not stated in meet documentation) that they'll post again after removing scratches. No other invitational I've ever attended publicizes that they'll redraft accepted entries after voluntary scratches, so I don't appreciate your eye-rolling response.
As for coaches fabricating marks, I don't agree with the practice. But since someone asked, here's a few reasons which might help a coach justify to themself that it's ok:
-Lack of meets with FAT (e.g. ran 5:08.50 at K-bell, but 4:54 in dual meet last week)
-Proven athlete without competition this season (e.g. TJ'd 39' last year, but hasn't competed this year due to long basketball playoff season)
-"Everyone else does it too"
-"I'll scratch him later"
-"His hand time will get him in, so I'll just add a zero"
-etc., etc.
Also, I do want to give credit to all the meet directors who publish the accepted entries. At least then fabricated marks are available for all to see. The lying is much worse when no one knows what marks were actually accepted or not.
No judgment, just facts:
Los Gatos: 9 entries in 800-3200, 9 marks ending .00, estimated probability of occurring by chance: 1 in 1 quintillion
St. Francis (boys): 6 entries in 800-3200, 5 marks ending .00, estimated probability of occurring by chance: 1 in 1 million
Question: Why is 0.01 referred to as a "thousandth" of a second? Shouldn't it be called a "hundredth" of a second? I mean, 0.01 * 100 = 1?
Is there some property of place value as used in timing that I'm missing? Or is it a simple mistake in the meet director's request?
Anonymous 10:41,
No coach mistake, actually all the times are ten times faster than you thought. :)
"No judgment, just facts:
Los Gatos: 9 entries in 800-3200, 9 marks ending .00, estimated probability of occurring by chance: 1 in 1 quintillion
St. Francis (boys): 6 entries in 800-3200, 5 marks ending .00, estimated probability of occurring by chance: 1 in 1 million"
One thing to keep in mind is sometimes a coach does not remember the time down to the hundreths, especially for distance races. This does not excuse the practice, but it oftentimes is that a coach is lazy as opposed to dishonest.
I can justify everyone of my marks. I'm fine if it does not state "2013 season only" (it clearly does for Varsity Top 8) to use a 2012 PR. But to makeup a time of what you think they will run as compared to what they have is wrong.
Saint Francis and Los Gatos know better.
Funny, when winning your heat for a tshirt, like at Dublin, these same coaches add time. Just bad taste.
On a side note a parent confronted me today and told me if others make up times to get in and I don't I am hurting my athletes. I told him I will only enter season marks and not lie to get in a meet. But, that view is not shared and one reason coaches fib.
Anon 2:43, So sad; parents are talking to the wrong person if they complain to you, the coach, like that. They should be lobbying the coach to take it to the meet organizers and push for honesty.
And getting into a meet you're not qualified for is no favor, in my view.
I think meet directors have to be more specific when it comes to entry instructions. Are they allowing times from this year? From last year? Hand times OK? Open season on what a coach can enter?
Regarding the THREE Saint Francis kids all running 5:00 flat, it's not correct.
FOUR of them did. However, one is not racing the 1600 tomorrow.
Wow... Four all 5:00.00? Where are those results? I'd love to see a four way tie of 5:00.00!!! This could be history of the most ever ties in one race!
WCAL all has FAT so please provide the finish photo for us all to see. Amazing!
Albert, please post to the front page... What a story in the making. Can we get an interview from the coaches and athletes of this amazing statistical anomaly?
How about the 2:16 girl from Piedmont Hills and the 2:20 girl from pinewood! Are these legit marks or not?
As a member of the WBAL I know that Pinewood's Colonna ran both her 1600m and 800m entry times last year. 5:23 for 4th at WBAL finals, 2:20 in Goo's heat at CCS Semis.
Wow, I guess the St Francis coach was lying after all as his three boys in the 1600 ran FASTER than 5:00.00. They only ran 4:53.62, 4:55.88 and 4:57.97. That's just wrong....
I know all of the St Francis coaches and if they say their athletes ran/jump/throw a mark then I believe them. Please, show some journalistic etiquette.
hank
I am trying to find out the list of the Boys (School)Team Rankings for this meet. I can see the girls but not the boys. Can someone help me?
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