Saturday, May 12, 2018

WCAL varsity boys 3200

Event 35  Boys 3200 Meter Run Varsity
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        Meet: ! 9:14.60  1981        Chris Paredes, Bellarmine                 
         CCS: # 8:52.11  1981        Jessie Torres, Independence               
       State: * 8:34.23  2008        German Fernandez, Riverbank               
    National: $ 8:34.23  2008        German Fernandez, Riverbank               
                9:39.48  @ CCS Qualifiying
    Name                    Year School                  Finals                  H#
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  1 Beaudoin-Rousseau, Meika  12 Bellarmine P           9:27.05 @                 1 
  2 Eng, Eric                 11 St Francis (           9:28.22 @                 1 
  3 Kumar, Shyam              12 St Francis (           9:29.17 @                 1 
  4 Karur, Naren              12 St Francis (           9:29.69 @                 1 
  5 Colonna, Colton           11 St Francis (           9:30.97 @                 1 
  6 Garcia, Juan Pablo        10 St Francis (           9:32.64 @                 1 
  7 Gade, Neerav              12 Bellarmine P           9:37.24 @                 1 
  8 Topper, Nolan              9 Bellarmine P           9:37.66 @                 1 
  9 Skahill, Daniel           11 St Francis (          x9:55.35                   1 
 10 D'Orfani, Ross            11 Bellarmine P           9:57.89                   1 
 11 Makhni, Devin             11 Archbishop M           9:59.83                   1 
 12 Farruggio, Matthew        11 Sacred Heart          10:04.34                   2 
 13 Maddison, Aiden           10 St Francis (         x10:14.94                   1 
 14 Upchurch, James           12 Archbishop R          10:15.06                   2 
 15 O'Brien, Sean             12 Junipero Ser          10:18.82                   2 
 16 Diab, Sam                 11 Bellarmine P          10:20.11                   2 
 17 Doheny, Sean              12 St Ignatius           10:35.94                   2 
 18 Ocbai, Yonatan            12 Sacred Heart          10:37.42                   2 
 19 Possa, Ryan               11 Junipero Ser          10:40.32                   2 
 20 Hijab, Rami               12 Junipero Ser          10:41.18                   2 
 21 Strella, Charlie          11 Sacred Heart          10:42.64                   2 
 22 Vallecillo, Alexander     12 Archbishop R          10:43.18                   2 
 23 Moore, Nathanael          11 Valley Chris          10:56.40                   2 
 24 DeBenedetti, Lucas        11 Archbishop M          10:56.88                   2 
 25 Wu, Lawrence              11 Sacred Heart          11:13.45                   2 
 26 Lum, Jack                 11 St Ignatius           11:18.18                   2 
 27 Wong, Marc                11 Sacred Heart          11:24.06                   2 
 28 Laughlin, Andrew          11 St Ignatius           11:35.22                   2 
 29 Garate, Sebastian         12 Archbishop M          12:04.66                   2 
 30 Hsu, Tom                  11 St Ignatius           12:42.05                   2 
 31 Saran, Raghav             11 Valley Chris          12:52.37    

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Albert. Wow, 8 guys under 9:38. Five from SF - guess that’s why they did so well in XC this year. Should be fun to see what the WCAL guys do at CCS!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the quick response. I am a supporter of the current qualification system. I'd like to show much respect for all of these boys who just ran and got it done. SCCAL girls also deserve some love for their assault on the auto times.

Anonymous said...

Boys 800 even more impressive. Eight under the auto. A 1:58 stays home and would be league champ in most leagues. I know what people are going to say and will argue “the kids with a shot at state are in CCS” but this is kinda rediculous. For the record I do not believe WCAL should get extra spots but I do think the standards should be eased a bit.

Chanman195 said...

Great performances at WCAL Finals. In the boys distance races, in addition to those 8 hitting the CCS qualifying time in the 3200,
There were 6 in the 1600:
1 Scales, Alex 12 Bellarmine P 4:15.92 @
2 Peattie, Colin 9 Bellarmine P 4:17.49 @
3 Beaudoin-Rousseau, Meika 12 Bellarmine P 4:17.59 @
4 Colonna, Colton 11 St Francis ( 4:18.20 @
5 Garcia, Juan Pablo 10 St Francis ( 4:18.65 @
6 Kumar, Shyam 12 St Francis ( 4:23.35 @

And 7 in the 800:
1 Scales, Alex 12 Bellarmine P 1:54.86 @
2 Cairns, Euan 10 St Francis ( 1:55.91 @
3 Paulbitski, Trevor 12 Archbishop R 1:56.36 @
4 DuPree, Dion 11 Archbishop M 1:57.71 @
5 Peattie, Colin 9 Bellarmine P 1:57.93 @
6 Elefant, Mason 11 St Francis ( 1:57.98 @
7 DuPree, DeVon 11 Archbishop M 1:58.10 @

Anonymous said...

Not to flame the ongoing argument about auto qualifiers and the number per league, but compare the quality of the WCAL meet, where the best kids in the league ran very honest times, vs.the SCVAL meet where the best guys in the 1600 and 3200 essentially jogged, knowing they could get in with their 6 spots. Fair or not, which group got the greatest benefit for the CCS tournament - the ones who ran hard (especially the 1600/3200 doubles) or the guys who had an easy weekend?

Anonymous said...

In my humble opinion, the WCAL guys get the short end of the stick, but I think that is the whole idea. Taking the weekend off is a luxury that the SCVAL kids have leading into the grind of the CCS (yes, especially those doing a double). Basing auto spots on league size and not quality is a mistake.

Anonymous said...

11 went sub 10 at BVAL with 8 qualifiers. Fact is there are a lot of good athletes that miss qualifying from all leagues. It’s going to be a solid CCS this year!

Anonymous said...

^this argument again?

Anonymous said...

BVAL had 11 sub 10 at 3200. Got 8 in. WCAL had 11 go sub 10 and got 8 in. Seems fair.

Now they got in because of the eased standard due to 100ish temps at last year Trials. Personally a 9:35-40 standard is about right.

Albert Caruana said...

Only the top 5 would have made last year's standard.

Anonymous said...

How many schools had 5 guys qualify for the 3200 on time?

Anonymous said...

@ 4:41 You, my friend, are hilarious! There is only one league final that has serious competition for their auto spots. Here are the real stats for the number of boys running the AL time this year: BVAL (8 autos) 800:1, 1600:3, 3200:1; SCVAL (6 autos) 800:0, 1600:0, 3200:0; WCAL (2 autos) 800:7, 1600:6, 3200:8; Bell/SF (2 teams, no autos) 800:4, 1600:6, 3200:8. The SCVAL "winners" would have placed: 4th in the WCAL 800; 6th in the WCAL 1600, and 7th in the WCAL 3200. And that, my friends, is the story of how the CCS jobs an entire league.

Anonymous said...

@7:11. You are only looking at 3 events. How many got the auto on the girls side? WCAL got their qualifiers, stop complaining. If you want an easier qualifying standard than agree on a slow sit and kick race to lower the standard. Otherwise train harder. Outside of 8 runners in that league they are not anything special.

Anonymous said...

@9:08: Not anything special? Look at team finishes in CCS in track and field the last...how many years? Many...2017: WCAL 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th; 2016: WCAL 1st, 3rd, 6th; 2015: 1st, 4th; 2014: 3rd, 6th; 2013: 1st, 2nd, 3rd; 2012: 2nd, 3rd, 4th; 2011: 2nd, 4th...etc., etc., etc. Do you think any WCAL schools will finish on the podium this year in Track?

How would one justify a statement like yours?

Anonymous said...

I’m still wondering where all the outrage is for all the faster SS section kids who are left out every year, while sections with automatic qualifiers like CCS send slower kids to State year after year. Something must be done. I guess CIF just doesn’t want the fastest athletes.

Anonymous said...

Colin Peattie 4:17 as a freshmen!!!???

Anonymous said...

@10:31 This is NorCal. I'll let the SS work out their own problems. I care about our kids and our section. Also, we are not talking about the state meet here. We are talking about the inequity of not apportioning section auto qualifier spots properly (i.e. based on size of league and not quality). We are also talking about the inequity of certain leagues having to run full out in their final while others can jog into the CCS. That alone should confirm that the auto process is broken and needs adjustment.

@11:05 With Alex and Meika leaving, I was wondering who would step up as the next star at Bell. Guess we have our answer. He didn't run during XC (I think due to injury). Does anyone know his times over 5K?

Anonymous said...

@ 6:44 So your are saying everyone in WCAL had to run full out? I think you are wrong. I think these kids can crank it up a tad for WCAL, just like they do for Top 8, or Arcadia. We’ll see what a 9:27 took out of Meika. No one has to double. I know plenty of kids who have to drop events at leagues if they want to have a chance to move on in another event. What about the sub league qualifiers SCVAL, and BVAL have to run a week before? Seems unfair that all these kids have to race full out a week before league finals, and 2 weeks before CCS trials. It’s too bad kids in the WCAL have no choice where to compete.

Anonymous said...

@ 8:44 If you don’t want to worry about state, How about the inequity at WCAL Before CCS. It would appear from just looking at the 1600 entries that many schools get automatic entries not based on performance. This means there are a ton of kids at your league level who don’t get an opportunity they rightfully deserve.

Anonymous said...

@06:44 Colin Petit had a stress fracture end of 8th grade, he overtrained with his club but thank goodness he's with Coach Patrick now who knows how to progress kids and cares about the well-being of his athletes.

This section's board of managers have always been for themselves and not for the kids. Look at XC too, all the other sections except ours D5 is up to 600 (but oh no, we can't move it up or each division won't look pretty with about 24 teams in each division and thus we get our butts handed to us at STATE.)

In Track is even more ridiculous, and we have to blame part of the reason on public school coaches not wanting WCAL (private Catholic schools) to get more auto bids to our section championship. I am just being honest here. This is very shameful that our section does not reward athletes for their hard work and merit but instead rewards schools that are big (again public schools) regardless of size of their TRACK & FIELD teams.

I don't defend private Catholic schools, but I defend our section's ATHLETES that deserve to be in our section championships.

Anonymous said...

@10:16 What would happen if we gave the WCAL league more auto-bids? Do you think they would compete as hard at their finals to get into CCS or do you think they'd end up jogging to conserve themselves?

If you took auto bids from SCVAL or BVAL, do you think their athletes would compete harder to get into CCS? What makes you think we wouldn't see what's currently happening if we gave the WCAL more bids?

Simply curious.

Albert Caruana said...

If somebody out there thinks that WCAL runners would just qualify if they had more auto bids, you must not be very familiar wuth that league. Some teams (other sports included) would rather win a league title than anything else.

Anonymous said...

@10:34AM and Albert, I agree and disagree with you since yes, WCAL runners still compete hard especially the boys this year...but for example Colton Colonna's Freshman year he was very deserving to be in the CCS 3200M boys race but he missed the at-large by a couple of seconds. So again, if we did change the bids for WCAL and BVAL/SCVAL, that will make a difference for the kids who are good runners but not the top top runners. We'll see the same thing that happened to Colonna to happen to another WCAL freshman next year, when Scales, MBR, and Shyam graduates. And watch a new kid from WCAL who runs a 9:33 3200M and isn't going to get in (assuming that at-large times will get faster next year) while same thing happened to Colonna when he was a freshman and his time would've been 2nd in the BVAL that year and he would've easily made it.

So please stop making excuses for the CCS with auto bids because we all know it's unfair no matter how you twist it. Done with this topic because it's a pointless discussion as the CCS won't change anything any time soon.

Anonymous said...

The private schools already have a built in advantage- do I’m not too concerned about the qualifiers in the WCAL. Public schools are disadvantaged vs pruvars so it seems fair to mt.

Anonymous said...

Schools in Palo Alto & Mountain View / Cupertino district have an advantage over East Side San Jose or Gilroy schools. Those school districts are probably more advantaged than any private school (which is why they aren’t good in football). Buchanan & Clovis schools have an advantage over Fresno and other rural areas. Schools on Native American reservations are disadvantaged compared to the white city schools. How far we going with this?

Personally both sides have valid points. The answer is not more qualifier spots for WCAL, SCCAL, WBAL, MTAL or any other league with two spots but to have a reasonable automatic qualifying standard. A number of years ago they changed the way qualifying was calculated from “last qualifier” to “8th”. This was done without going through the proper format of coaches voting, AD, Principals, etc. Instead was changed at a post season meeting. Let’s start by going back to the “last qualifier”! That’s 12th except for lanes races. Or better yet make it 12 all the way around.

Anonymous said...

The advantage gained from ability to accept students from anywhere regardless of district boundaries is a far greater advantage than anything any school in LG, Saratoga, Los Altos, or the Peninsula benefit from. You figure a large portion of the athletes from SI, Riordon, and SHC don’t even live within CCS boundaries. WCAL should try to clean that up. It amounts to allowing a team to spend unlimited amount on salary when every other team opporates under a cap. It’s not even a comparison. This is exactly what has led to the discrepancy in performances and the current situation that those in the WCAL love to complain about. If you run in the WCAL, you should be prepared to race the best from Santa Clara, San Mateo, San Francisco, and Marin county.

Anonymous said...

Changing the rules without following the proper procedure, and cancelling the meeting 2 years ago so they didn’t have to take up a change that would partially reverse that illegal action, are grounds for impeachment of any board member around at that time. Time to clear out the dead wood and elect some CCS board members who care about our sport and the kids.

Albert Caruana said...

I would like to point out that cross country and track and field are very minor sports and admission committees are probably not loading up their freshman classes with runners/sprinters/jumpers etc.

Please take a look at most of the highly successful teams in NCS. Most of them are public schools.

Anonymous said...

Most distance kids are solid academically. Most quality distance runners go to public school. Bellarmine has a long tradition of being a great all boys school and is always a draw. While privates have an advantage geographically they can accept anyone, tuition is expensive. I doubt there’s a free ride going on for distance running in any WCAL school (football, volleyball & basketball on the other hand is another story). Every WCAL school has talent similar to public schools. I don’t see why the hard feelings?

Anonymous said...

@9:55PM Amen...I agree with that comment.

Anonymous said...

Any athlete in the top 30 after the league power merge should receive a provisional qualifier. It’s that simple.
On a side note CCS looks incredibly deep this year. Everyone has stepped it up for sure!

Anonymous said...

The best solution is to have two state divisions and meets: 1 for private schools so a level playing field since they can draw from all over without any restrictions and 1 for public schools.

Albert Caruana said...

You do realize that Great Oak is a public school right? Most of the excellent track and field teams are also large public schools so watering down the best state meet in the nation is probably not a good idea. I would say that smaller schools might have more of a case for divisions at the state meet but I would never ask for such a thing considering how good the California state meet is every year.

Anonymous said...

The funny thing is the amount of sports related transfers at large public schools in the the SS, like Great Oak and Arcadia, etc., creates a "geographic advantage" for those teams that puts what the WCAL could ever dream of to shame. If NorCal kids gravitate toward programs like Bell or SF in order to compete at state or NXN, that is a natural offshoot of creating SoCal mega public schools that actually do "recruit."

Anonymous said...

Great Oak is a public school with open enrollment. They can legally recruit students to go there are five presentations to middle schools. The only time transfers come into play is after freshman year. And there have been some pretty high profile transfers from certain high performing teams in the NCS. Not so much here in the CCS.

Anonymous said...

Last year the CIF changed the sport motivated transfer rules to allow kids to move without punishment. Look for NorCal public schools (at least the ones that are paying attention) to act more like SoCal teams and load up talent.

Albert Caruana said...

I highly doubt that. That rule has been around for a couple of years and the number of transfers that are noticeable compared to SoCal has been pretty light.

Anonymous said...

CCS would be better if it was the top 30 power merge. I like the idea of provisional qualifiers for the non-qualifiers in the top 30 after the power merge. Even top 20 would be an improvement and we would see the best race the best. But it will never happen, apparently they need 10 min downtime beetween events rather than running races. Even utilizing Lane 9 would be an improvement but that gets shot down too. WTF CCS?

Albert Caruana said...

You have to have representation from all leagues which is why you have all the auto qualifiers from all leagues just like the Olympics.

I agree with the 9th lane. You have it. Use it.

Hank said...

I know they've used the 9th lane at times when they have an "issue" arise and they can then just put in the extra athlete. If they used all 9, then that safety buffer would go away. Now if a League wanted to submit a proposal saying that they, CCS, should use whatever a site can provide and not a specific number ...

hank

Anonymous said...

Can we at least go to a facility that is not normally 100+ degrees? It looks like we will dodge a bullet this week, and hopefully next, but running in the sweltering heat of Gilroy is not conducive to getting our athletes through to state on time. Just saying.

Coach Small said...

I have been to one California state meet under 95° since 2005. One might argue that the “sweltering” temperature of Gilroy qualifies the athletes who can best handle the heat.

Hank said...

Coach Small, I guess what 12:06 is saying is that "getting" to the big dance is what matters, whatever "happens" at the dance is secondary.

hank

Coach Small said...

What about sprints, jumps, throws & mid-distance that prefer it warm? They need to get to the big dance too!

Anonymous said...

I know it’s hard to believe for you distance guys but most events prefer warmer temperatures. Track doesn’t revolve around the 3200. In reality it’s only there for recovery between the 200 and the 4 x 4.

Anonymous said...

@Hank, exactly! We should have CCS at the Valley Christian Track unless it’s blowing 35mph up the backstretch.

Anonymous said...

@7:18 this is a distance blog. Go get your own venue.

Albert Caruana said...

I always thought the 3200 was a great distance race with 8 laps of drama but now I find out it's just used as a break for sprinters. I learn something daily. Thank you, Anonymous.

Coach Small said...

Let’s do it! We just need an 8th lane & another pit for the jumps, but I promise the times wouldn’t disappoint on the mondo track.

Anonymous said...

I’m with @7:30, since this is a cross-country blog and not a track and field blog we should dismiss every event in track except for the 3200. ;0)

Anonymous said...

I would include the 1600. Other than that, take your sprinting, throwing, and jumping talk elsewhere :-)

Albert Caruana said...

We welcome all track and field events on this site and do not sprint shame. :D

Anonymous said...

While I look on with envy at the sprinters strutting around and "warming up" 15 minutes before they run for 60 seconds or less, and at the field people laying on the their backs under a tent during their event, I will not shame them nor exclude them from commenting on this site about how the weather affects their performance.

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