Saturday, March 06, 2010

More NorCal Results...

JUST ADDED from the Press Democrat:
3/6 Big Cat: Second draft of results

From the Big Cat...results will be posted shortly but until then:

Reesey Byers: 4:20/1:58/9:40/53split 9:40 was run in 4:58/4:42 with a 64 last lap. The 1:58 was 59.5/58.5.

Jacque Taylor: took it out hard in the 1600 (70 first lap) and ran 5:00. Ran 2:19/20 in the 800. Anchored her 4 x 400.

Julie Nacouzi: ran 5:20/11:35.

Hugh Dowdy did not run ... nursing an achilles.

Luis Luna ran 4:31/9:46 or so.

Zellman ran 2:00/2:01 and around 11:00 for 3200.

Casa Grande girls mid-distance look good... 3 girls well under 2:30.

Jeremy Thompson of Carrillo looks good in hurdles.

Michelle Stone made 12' in the PV but got it remeasured and it was 11'9".
From Dual Meet between Drake and Marin Catholic on March 4th:
Marin Catholic's Theresa Devine hasn't let any moss grow under her feet since State and Footlocker XC performances. She ran solo in her dual meet debut 1600m with 5:12.4 and doubled back, chasing a Drake boy in a mixed 3200m with 10:58.1. It was sunny Thursday for the meet. Lots of exciting performances from both teams.
For the San Lorenzo Valley Team: 8:11 today 4x800 2:02.42, 2:03.65, 2:02.76,2:01.89 and another boy 2:03.76 in the SMR. County Relays at aptos the boys 4x800 lapped field B team was 2nd.
East Bay Invitational Results courtesy of
Sacramento High School Track and Field Classic courtesy of

Willow Glen Invitational - March 6, 2010 courtesy of
Mt. Pleasant Relays - 3/6/10 courtesy of
Watsonville Winter Time Trials courtesy of

Good stuff so far...


Anonymous said...

Not sure why a coach would have someone triple like that, especially this early, but Reesey Byers opened up with some blazing times. Lets hope he doesn't burn out.

Jacque Taylor did some work too.

Carrie Joseph said...

Dear Anonymous,

You make a fair and valid point. We planned for Reesey to do the 1600/800/4 x 400. But Reesey kept begging us to let him do the 3200 and we kept saying no. But if you know Reesey, he has a charm about him that is hard to say no to. He did the same "quadruple" last year, and I think he was eager to compare his progress (which was considerable).

We eventually told him he could run the 3200 if he broke 2:00 in the 800 and even or negative-split it. (His previous PR from last year was 2:00.3).

So he took care of that pretty easily. He ran completely within himself for the first 600 meters and really put the hammer down. We told him he could do the 3200 only if he did a proper warm-down/warm-up, felt good, and was willing to run a 5:00 first mile. He gave us a signal at 800 meters into the 3200 that he felt fine (if he didn't, he was just going to pace some slower teammates). You can see that he followed our plan. He really didn't work that hard in it. I've rarely seen a kid run that time and look so easy doing it.

I'd say his real "full" efforts of the day were in the 800 and 4 x 400; the other races didn't tax him. And bottom line, Reesey loves to race... that is just who he is. That is what makes him so exciting to watch and coach.

Believe me, we are aware of how fit he is this early. We are doing our best to bring him along slowly, but he is simply super-fit. Doing a triple like this early in the season makes more sense to me than doing it later in the season because it essentially becomes a workout. Plus, it gave him a big confidence boost.

Our goal is not to burn him out. Our goal is to keep him fit,healthy, and happy -- and ready for a long running career ahead of him.

I hope that answers some of your questions.

Carrie Joseph
(one of many coaches looking out for Reesey's best interests)

Peter Brewer said...

I have long felt that a top-end distance athlete can easily do the distance triple (or quad) at a track meet. After all, by the time an athlete reaches Reesey's level (senior year, several years of training, physical maturity, no history of injuries, top-end talent) the workouts are pretty tough too. I imagine Reesey does some very impressive things in workouts.

If I were to make comparisons to cross country, we have our top athletes run 5K. The 2 mile race is a JV distance at best. Why then do we get all excited when a kid runs 3.75 miles in a day, but spread out over a 4 to 6 hour weekend meet?

Burnout is a mental term, not a physical one. Reesey appears to be very exuberant personality in love with running (and doing backflips). Does he want to run? Definitely. So let him.

His coaching staff is not comprised of idiots or egomaniacs. They've seen the best come through their program and they haven't ruined anyone yet.

Elias Gidyon ran the opening leg and the anchor leg of an 8 x 800 relay last week, which gives him about 12-13 minutes between consecutive 1:59 efforts. I imagine he is under the same coaching scrutiny as Reesey, and even more so since he is a national caliber runner. This is not an unusual happening.

Peter Brewer

Coach Small said...


I want to step away from this individual case for a moment and discuss the distance triple (or quad). While I disagree about a top distance runner being able to do quad or tipple at their maximum (as after each race fatigue deteriorates your potential max performance in the next one), for the sake of argument lets say they can. The question then is, why would you?

There is a reason you don't see elites do it in college or beyond, say at the Golden League meets. The amount of recovery from an effort like this is huge, something over looked by most programs (though I am not saying in this case as I am not familiar with the program or its coaches). I would also argue that running two 5k races a week also leads to over training, not to mention in this case the athlete is not running a 3.5 mile race in under 16 minutes on a weekly basis.

No matter what you call it, burnout, over-training, "hyper-training," etc. it is a real thing.

I am all for testing yourself now and then and it sounds like the coaches here are making sure the effort is under control and manageable. My guess, this type of runner is more of a 5k/10k runner rather than a miler.

Anonymous said...

luis luna is perdy gud

Peter Brewer said...

Coach Small:

Allow me to elucidate. There are several assumptions in place here, and I apologize if some of them were not explicit, or entirely implied.

To start with, we are talking about the top-end athlete who has achieved a top level of fitness. This is not a rookie, or a first-year runner, or a mid-level runner with little training.

Furthermore, the idea is that none of these times or efforts are at the top end of collegiate, national, or international level. These are still high school races, competition, and times.

To amplify that, the effort asked for is not maximum, but certainly a quality intensity effort. We are not setting national records here.

And as to your question as to why a coach would ask an athlete to do this: Your assumption is that doing this risks injury or perhaps a version of the trifecta of burnout, over-training, hyper-training. The answer is simple -- the California State Meet demands that the top-end athlete perform at a top level on two consecutive day. This is short rest, and it is top-end maximum effort, injury be damned.

My feeling is that it would be criminal to not expose the athlete to this type of short rest between multiple events early in the season, and periodically throughout the season. Doing race-day simulations in workouts is an regular training methodology.

I also wish to state that I feel that it is okay to use the better athlete to help win meets. I know that this borders on heresy, as somehow this might once again jeopardize the health and performance of the athlete. When German Fernandez tweaked a hamstring running in the 4x400 at a dual meet a couple years back, you'd have thought that child protection custody services was going to have to intervene. How dare his thoughtless coach ruin a treasure like German? Well, that turned out all right as I remember (4:00-1600 8:34-3200 double at the State Meet). If I ask a high-conditioned athlete to run multiple races in a single meet, it is because he or she can. This would be the athlete that can deliver a quality performance more than once, without delving into that maximum effort zone.

Another, perhaps less obvious premise involved here is that one of the worst things that can happen to a quality athlete is the special treatment label. So-and-so is a special athlete, so he or she gets preferential treatment. We'll hold them out of insignificant races, to prepare them for the important races. Meanwhile, Suzy Slug and Sam Slow have to fill in at the dual meets while Johnny Jetstream gets to chill until Stanford or Arcadia or Mt. SAC. This is an exceptionally corrosive and toxic situation for the team. The athlete gets the big head, the team unity is shot to hell. If I can have that athlete use that exceptionality to help the team effort, then he or she is contributing in proportion to his or her talent.

And finally, you are correct in that the type of athlete I am referring to is the 5K specialist who is trapped in the high school world of 800, 1600 and 3200 meter races as the only option for competition.

Peter Brewer

Coach Small said...


I agree with everything you said...

My top athletes all run every dual meet, out of respect for the teams we compete against. But as a coach I do struggle with this. While the majority of athletes only run the dual meets the top athletes have to come back and race again on the weekend. While yes, they can handle it, my program would have greater benefit from a workout than an "insignificant" race.

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