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Saturday, May 30, 2015

Northern California Section Finals Live Results

Sac-Joaquin Section
SJS Section Results (New)

Sac-Joaquin Masters Preview

North Coast Section
NCS Results (New)

http://diablotiming.com/results/2015-05-29/index.htm
Athletes to watch at NCS MOC

Central Coast Section
http://lynbrooksports.prepcaltrack.com/ATHLETICS/TRACK/2015/ccsres.htm (Results)

Heat Sheets: http://cifccs.org/playoffs/results/14-15/2015%20field%20finals.pdf
Field Events: http://www.cifccs.org/playoffs/results/14-15/2015%20field%20event%20finals.pdf
Central Coast Section Preview

San Francisco Section
SF Section Results (New)

Time Schedule
Finals Program

Northern Section
http://lynbrooksports.prepcaltrack.com/ATHLETICS/TRACK/2015/ns_res.htm (Results)

http://www.westvalleytrack.net/nsciftr_entries.htm

Oakland Section
http://lynbrooksports.prepcaltrack.com/ATHLETICS/TRACK/2015/oak_res.htm (Results)

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

when will the NCS publish the heat sheets?

Albert Caruana said...

I am sure those will be published sometime today. I will post the link as soon as they are posted.

Anonymous said...

Heat sheets for CCS???

Albert Caruana said...

Just posted. Links above.

Anonymous said...

Albert- Looks like you posted the same link twice. I don't see any field events when i open it. Thanks.

Albert Caruana said...

Fixed.

Anonymous said...

You have any idea of when the heat sheets will
Be published for ncs?

Anonymous said...

What did Steven Page from Lick-Wilmerding do to be DSQ from the NCS MOC Boys 1600m for "sportsmanship"?

Anonymous said...

he ripped his shirt off in anger after tripping and going from first to last.

Anonymous said...

And how about Grace Brown? Why was she DQ'd in the 1600 prelims? She would have advanced...

Anonymous said...

Anon at 7:55 - I meant the 800; why was Brown DQ'd in the 800?

BytheBook said...

Athenian's Brown was entered in the 1600 and was not listed in the results. She was DQed from the 800 due to the honest effort rule. My only guess is she Did Not Start in the 1600 which eliminated her from the rest of the meet.

As for CCS, does it have an honest effort rule? I guess not if Sum can scratch the 1600 to run the 3200 after entries closed.

Last comment, judging from the St Francis girls picture post 4x100 victory they violated the uniform rule.

Anonymous said...

So you can't scratch an event? I thought lots of kids did that, especially scratching the 1600 to focus on the 3200. I thought that was allowed?

Anonymous said...

For NCS you cannot scratch an event once entries are made. Brown was entered in the 1600 and 800.

If she wanted to drop the 1600 she should have dropped it right after the Class A meet so they could take the next runner. I'm wondering if she even knew she was entered in the 1600 as 2nd & 4th place at the Class A 1600 were not entered for NCS MOC.

Anonymous said...

Hard to believe she wouldn't have known she was entered. The entries have been posted for days and she was at the stadium well before the 1600. She would have encountered many friends from other schools who would have wished her good luck in the mile, etc.

Anonymous said...

Yes hard to believe but stranger things have happened. In any event it looks like she never raced the 1600 heat.

Anonymous said...

Does anybody know where to find the photos being taken by the photogs on the field from the NCS MOC today?

Anonymous said...

http://www.motionphotographyonline.com/Sports/Track1/Track-NCS-MOC-Trials/

Anonymous said...

That link (8:57) pretty much just shows athletes from Liberty High School in action.

Anonymous said...

Heat 2 of the men's 1600 was the most entertaining race I've seen in a long time.

Anonymous said...

If anyone has a video for the boys 3200, and the girls 4x400 from CCS, please post the link. Our video camera did not work for those two races. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

What happened with the Piedmont Hills girls 4x400 relay at CCS finals? DSQ?

Albert Caruana said...

Piedmont Hills led off their 4x400 relay with their two fastest runners and had a huge lead after the first two legs. The field closed a bit on the 3rd leg. The Piedmont Hills anchor held the lead for about 350 meters when she started having problems, slowing down significantly and then collapsing to the track. I am not sure the reasoning for the DQ but she either interfered with the runners behind her or stepped on the inside of the track. It was quite a final lap as Piedmont Hills lost the lead, Los Gatos won the race and Santa Teresa got between LG and St. Francis giving the Los Gatos girls the team title by .5 points.

Anonymous said...

Wow. Heartbreaking for PH with three seniors.

Albert Caruana said...

Definitely one of the more unforgettable moments from yesterday's meet.

Anonymous said...

I believe the Piedmont Hills coach assisted the final runner across finish line once it was apparent she wasn't going to make it, and the race was finished. She fell and got up 2 or 3 times in the final stretch, and it looked like she may have hit her head on the rail once.

Albert Caruana said...

You can watch the end of the girls 4x400 race at the tail end of the following interview.

http://www.dyestatcal.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44789&mgroup_event_id=3644&year=2015&do=videos&video_id=146709

hank said...

IdentiLynx footage:

lynbrooksports.prepcaltrack.com/ATHLETICS/TRACK/2015/PICS/CCS/026-2-01.avi

hank

Anonymous said...

Will somebody please disband the Oakland Section!

Anonymous said...

Why not just put Oakland into NCS and give NCS one more spot to go to state in each event?

I can't speak to the fairness of that from a sprints standpoint, but from a distance standpoint, it would be VERY fair. As an example, the Oakland section's girls 1600 winner would not have even made it past the prelims at the NCS MOC. Her time of 5:26.18 would have been 23rd of 26 in the NCS MOC prelims. Meanwhile, in the actual NCS MOC final, the 4 girls taking 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th place went under 5 minutes. If NCS had one more qualifying spot (4 instead of 3), a girl of that caliber would be sent to state and would have an actual shot at competing with girls of similar ability. Nobody with a 5:26 has a prayer at state. It seems unfair, frankly, to send a girl to state with a 5:26. And, indeed, that young lady who won the Oakland Section's 1600 is NOT on the performance list for state. So she's not going. Who knows for sure why, but a good guess would be that the time and expense to travel to state for a race in which your odds of advancing to the finals are slim at best.

I know this is just one example, in one year, in one event, but a cursory look at other distance events including the 800, 3200 in both boys and girls events, seems to bear the logic of this idea out.

To be clear, Oakland doesn't really "lose" a spot if you add Oakland to NCS. The united territory would still have the same total number of spots in the same exact geographic region as before the unification and thus the same shot still exists for any one kid in all of Oakland and in all of the current NCS territory to earn a spot to go to state. The difference is just that kids of higher ability would be MORE likely to earn a spot than kids of lower ability. In fact, a different way to look at it is that Oakland's kids would GAIN more chances to earn state spots (if they are worthy). If Oakland were to produce a fantastic crop of sprinters one year, then MORE of them would have a chance to make state in a bigger NCS, too.





Andrew said...

Johanna Ross, the winner of the 1600 at the Oakland Section, is however, listed in the 3200 at the state meet because she also won that event at the Oakland Section meet. Not with a super impressive time, but its not like she is just not going to the state meet because she isn't good enough. She is good enough. She just dropped one event to focus on another, much like NCS's Brighie Leach.

Anonymous said...

Miss Ross's time of 12:13 for the state 3200 meter event puts her dead last in the seeding and not only that, but nearly 30 seconds slower than the young lady who is 2nd-to-last in the seeding. She is a full TWO MINUTES behind the two event leaders and at least 90 seconds slower than the next 13 girls, so she is going to get lapped by as many as 15 girls. Since she is not doubling, we can assume she'll be able to run a little faster, but that's not really the point. 12:13 is a very respectable time for a high school varsity runner, but it's not state material. My point is that the Oakland Section qualifying spot really ought to go to NCS where someone who DOES have nationally competitive times could use it to go to state. Rylee Bowen took fourth in the NCS 3200 with a time of 10:44 (after doubling, I might add) and did not qualify on time or place to go to state in the 3200. I'm just saying it would be more fair...to everyone. How does that make sense that someone with a 12:13 goes to state and someone with a 10:44 doesn't? And, yes, I know Rylee is going to state in the 1600...I'm just using her as an example...if she's a bad example, then take Megan McCandless who was 5th with 10:45 (also after doubling).

Andrew said...

@Anonymous 10:49PM

You're right about that. I do agree the spot could go to a faster runner in NCS. That is the entire debate that that CCS thread was having with leagues and qualifying spots to state.

I think you are right that the rule needs to be changed and OS needs to join NCS and add a qual spot. My post was just defending the fact that Ross is going to the state meet and not just sitting at home because she isn't fast enough despite winning her section.

Albert Caruana said...

This is about getting representatives from different parts of the state. This is also not simply a track and field situation as there are many other sports involved in which the Oakland, SF and LA sections have done quite well in the past. I asked about this situation to Lowell coach Andy Leong and you can check out his response at #12 in the following link.
http://ca.milesplit.com/articles/151244-interview-with-lowell-hs-sf-coach-andy-leong#.VS8-WZPF-4Q

Perhaps Peter Brewer can also chime in and give us a historical perspective on the different sections and their qualifications for the state meet.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Albert, for the Lowell coach article. I read it. Coach Leong mentions that Oakland and SF have "minimum standards" for competing at state. I had not heard that before. I went to Oakland's sectional website and downloaded their by-laws (http://cifoakland.org/cifrulebook/) and looked it up. Sure enough, they do have minimums and now I feel like the complete Grinch-who-stole Christmas, but Miss Ross' time in the 3200 meter does NOT meet the rule book standard of 11:45.0, which is in the chart on page 137. So, I hope this young lady's team of supporters doesn't get all the way down to Fresno and pay for a hotel only to have the girl DQ'ed for being ineligible on the day of the meet. I swear I am not out to get anyone. When I started this post, it was never about this young lady personally, it was about how it would be so nice to get another sub-11 2-miler or sub-5 miler from NCS down to state. The fact that the Oakland section has minimum standards does impact the debate because, as Coach Leong points out, with the auto-qual times and the minimum standards, Oakland should (a) only be sending worthy kids (b) other sections who have a truly worthy athlete can still send that athlete who doesn't make it on place but does make it on time and thus Oakland's existence as a section doesn't really deprive NCS of a spot. You could make that argument, yes, I suppose. But only if the rules are followed and Oakland doesn't send a girl down to Fresno with a 12:13. Otherwise, you have a situation where a section comprised of just 20 schools (with most of those being small charter schools) gets a full spot at the state track meet and sends a top girl who wouldn't even have qualified out of the NCS qualifying meets, while the NCS with 171 schools gets just 3 spots (and counts among those who failed to qualify for state on place: 3 sub-5 girl milers and 7 sub-11 girl 2 milers). I understand the need to have geographic diversity at the state meet, but I don't see how pulling Oakland into NCS would change the geographic profile. Oakland is WITHIN the NCS borders already. And as for socio-economic diversity, NCS has that, too. From big public schools in Richmond and Antioch on down to tiny private schools in places like Lafayette. I know this is all going to sound like NCS sour grapes, but really, it's more about getting the best of the best down to the state meet. I don't see how it does Oakland or its kids any good if they get a reputation for being uncompetitive (at least in distance running).

Anonymous said...

According to athletic.net, Johanna Ross ran 11:43.46 on May 20 at a OAL meet. Because of that performance and the fact she is the OAL champion allows her to advance to the state meet. She is only a 10th grader who has improved 1:20 in the 3200 from a year ago. Looks like she has a lot of upside.

Anonymous said...

I went back to the rules, and, yep, there is some fine print on page 137 that states that a first place finisher who does not meet the minimum standard can make a formal appeal to be allowed to still go to state if they can providence evidence that they did meet the minimum in an earlier meet. I am sorry, but I think that's ridiculous. Maybe if the minimum standard was actually difficult to achieve then it might be a fair rule. But c'mon. The standard of 11:45 was achieved by no fewer than 21 of the 27 3200m finalists in the NCS MOC. Two of those girls go to schools in Oakland, too, (Bourne of College Prep & Amen of Bishop O'Dowd), but those schools are private and thus belong to NCS instead of OS. Had Miss Ross run at NCS finals instead of OS finals, she would have placed 28th out of 28. Coach Leong sees the existence of minimum standards as a justification of the SF and Oakland Sections' existence. I disagree. At least with the girls 3200m, the standard is WAY too easy to have any meaning whatsoever. It's a joke. Why not have a standard that is a lot closer to the auto-qual time of 10:36? A minute is an eternity in track -- even in a 2 mile race.

At any rate, the point I am trying to make is not so much that Miss Ross does not deserve to go to state, it is that other girls deserve to go MORE than she does. Much more than she does. Any one of the 7 girls who finished in NCS under 11 minutes (but did not qualify for state could compete at state and have a shot at making the race exciting.)

Andrew said...

Wow, great research done there. Very interesting.

How are the OS and SFS (and I think NS too) minimum standards determined?

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