Thursday, July 16, 2020

Team Cross Country Nationals Is Axed For 2020, Reactions

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Majority of schools will be 100% remote learning this fall and possibly into the spring. If we do transition back it will be a hybrid model. In both of these models sports can not safely exist. No superintendent or school board is going to allow sports in this environment. In the case of NXN no way is Nike going to take on that liability.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the previous post. The highest level of allowed sports in some school districts will be at the league level, but probably most will be intrasquad races. I hope CIF adopt a model like New York where they have 3 abbreviated seasons, where at least the seniors will have something. But health first...

Anonymous said...

I expect CIF to announce on the 20th that there will be no playoffs at all this fall and that they will create 3 short seasons - perhaps up to 8 weeks long - to begin in early January. Likely seasons will overlap with fall sport playoffs going on at the end of February while winter sports begin. This could put some pressure on multi-sport athletes to choose or specialize. All of this assumes that COVID is less widespread than it is currently and that sports can proceed safely.

Anonymous said...

If XC is moved to the winter, it might good idea to begin winterizing the XC courses. Most of the courses are dirt. Or would XC be on the roads?

Anonymous said...

If there is doubling up or overlap maybe some leagues/school districts will make an exception this year and allow concurrent sports participation for the multi-sport athletes...will some limitations on total allowable practice time.

Anonymous said...

A recent LA Times article reported that California still has had no confirmed deaths in children from COVID-19.  More and more doctors and health experts are saying that asymptomatic kids pose little to no risk of transmission to each other or adults.  And when kids do get the virus, their symptoms have almost universally been very minor.  The death toll among those 0-17 in the US and Canada is less than 100, with 3 times as many deaths from the flu in the same time frame.  Kids are somehow spared much if any risk from this virus, so the issue is not safety for kids, rather what is the risk to coaches, officials, and others involved.

Anonymous said...

@2:38
LA Times also reported that a 19 year old gave COVID to his step-father, who consequently died, after going out with friends despite his parents request. Great, it may not hit kids as bad but there are there are families, teachers, families of those teachers, etc. You can’t be selfish here, while you may think it’s fine someknebis mourning a loved one.

I personally know multiple people who have had it. EVERY SINGLE ONE said it was horrible and something to take seriously.

Anonymous said...

So they say follow the science, well here's what the science says. High school aged kids are at virtually zero risk from Covid-19. The majority of parents of said high school kids, assuming an age range of 35 - 50, are at minimal risk from Covid-19. Yes, I know there are older parents, but I'm going with the statistical data and the vast majority are not. So the real issue is kids bringing it home and infecting grandparents or older adults that they may encounter. Why are we putting the burden on our children and mortgaging their futures over such a minuscule risk? Instead of pumping money into the economy to keep people home while we close and cancel everything, why aren't we putting money into strategies to keep the most vulnerable safe?

So what, we are supposed to keep our kids locked in the house with no socialization in fear they will bring the virus home and infect Grandma? What kind of parenting is that? Who here thinks that this is a good idea? They can't go to school, they can't play sports, WTF are they supposed to do?

I know the virus is real and I know it's deadly, but seriously; are we really going to do this to our children?

Anonymous said...

Most kids are on their phones all the time. Out with friends and in class. They are well trained in socializing virtually. No harm is coming to them whatsoever. In fact I’ve heard a lot of complaints about prom, grad night, graduation, sports, miss their friends... not once have I heard a complaint about missing learning. Why? Because they are well adapted to the online environment. They are learning or don’t care anyways. My gut feeling is this isn’t about the kids wellbeing and more that parents are tired of them being home.

Anonymous said...

@ Anonymous 1:51

Yes, they really are going to force this. With death rates going DOWN (fact), at this point not allowing ESSENTIAL businesses and activities to reopen is deliberate sabotage.

Cases are only increasing because more people are getting tested.

Running on the cross country team saved my life in high school. I feel terrible for the countless high schoolers, many of whom are in their LAST season, have to watch their world burn because of irrational fearmongering.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous @July 18, 2020 2:04 PM Said:

Most kids are on their phones all the time. Out with friends and in class. They are well trained in socializing virtually. No harm is coming to them whatsoever. In fact I’ve heard a lot of complaints about prom, grad night, graduation, sports, miss their friends... not once have I heard a complaint about missing learning. Why? Because they are well adapted to the online environment. They are learning or don’t care anyways. My gut feeling is this isn’t about the kids wellbeing and more that parents are tired of them being home.

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Most kids that excel at XC are not glued to their phones and social media. They are generally high acheivers and they do care about learning and miss classroom interaction and all the socialization that an on-campus learning environment provides. Sorry your kids apparently don't care and are stuck on their phones. You might want to address that.

Anonymous said...

My kids are looking at distance learning again pragmatically. Its more like college with more flexibility and less of the fluff at school. I mean a 7 hour school day is really only 3-4 hours of learning anyways. They get to claim XC practice as PE credit, which most schools should do anyways. Bummed the XC season is getting postponed until Spring, but it's still a net positive for our family.

Anonymous said...

Bringing the thread back to the cancellation of NXN, I feel really bad for the teams from Nothern California who had, based on the PRs of their returnees, a legitimate shot at qualifying. On the boys side, this list includes Bellarmine, Jesuit, and Campo. Bellarmine in particular was poised to light the world on fire. I hope they get to compete against top notch teams in some fashion.

Anonymous said...

Well so much for the argument HSers won’t spread it. From The NY Times: A new study in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks. The study of nearly 65,000 people found that children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. And those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults.Experts cautioned that the findings could mean clusters of infection in children of all ages. The director of the Harvard Global Health Institute called the study “one of the best” to date on the issue. Several school districts around the U.S. announced plans this week to start the academic year online, including Los Angeles, above.

Anonymous said...

@July 19, 2020 9:32 AM

Never heard any argument that High Schoolers could not spread it, I thought the argument was that they would spread it to older people and people with underlying conditions. High School age kids getting COVID-19 is not that big of a deal. Yes, the science backs that statement. Yes, there are cases of kids getting COVID-19 and getting very sick, HOWEVER, those cases are extremely rare. Like .00001% rare and usually had underlying conditions. Cancelling indoor classes is bad enough, but an outdoor XC meet? That's just stupid.

Anonymous said...

When is the risk EVER zero? WHY didn't the shutdowns happen during Ebola or SARS or Bird flu? The regular flu itself kills thousands of Americans every year. Why are we so fixated on physical safety? What about our MENTAL health? Is that not important anymore?????

Anonymous said...

Parents: what about my mental health I can’t stand it any longer!

Teachers: I feel socially isolated. I didn’t become a teacher to work in front of the computer.

Administration: this is an unprecedented time. (Still trying to figure out how to share their screen during a zoom meeting).

Coaches: This was our year.

Students: we cool. We hanging with friends anyways. And to be honest didn’t like people at school. This is better.

The truth is that many students don’t like school. They are bullied and oppressed. Every month for over 20 years there was a school shooting. Why? If you are concerned about mental health now, why not then? What about the high number of suicides at Palo Alto schools? Just throwing the “mental health” line is nothing more than a political response. There is a greater response for this because it is impacting us greater than SARS and the other viruses you mentioned. I know I will never convince you but I know students who have had it. This is a terrible virus and though recovered still can’t run. This isn’t an injury you work through or the flu you get through in a week or two. We don’t know long term effects yet. Could be minimal or could limit these kids running the rest of their lives. If you can not get it that is recommended.

Anonymous said...

https://www.cifstate.org/covid-19/7.20.20_release

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