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Thursday, July 08, 2010

NorCal Cross Country All-Decade Teams (2000-2009)...

This was originally posted in January of this year. I thought it would be fun to bring it back up for further conversation.  I ranked the runners based on what they accomplished in cross country only.  Feel free to put your own list in the comment section below.    

BOYS
Honorable Mention
Alex Dunn San Lorenzo Valley HS
Giliat Ghebray James Logan HS
Jeremy Mineau Menlo Atherton HS
James Tracy Del Campo HS
Carl Dambkowski Granada HS

Top 10
10) Mohamed Abdalla Willow Glen HS
9) Brett Gotcher Aptos HS
8) Erik Olson Novato HS
7) Jake Schmitt Redwood HS
6) Garret Rowe Mt. View HS
5) Yosef Ghebray James Logan HS
4) Ben Sitler St. Francis HS
3) Tim Nelson Liberty HS
2) Yong-Sung Leal Arroyo HS
1) German Fernandez Riverbank HS


GIRLS
Honorable Mention
Melissa Grelli Presentation
Jenny Aldridge Maria Carrillo
Bridget Duffy St. Mary's Berkeley
Alicia Follmar Saratoga HS
Lindsay Allen College Park HS

Top 10
10) Sarah Sumpter Healdsburg HS
9) Tori Tyler Gunn HS
8) Alex Kosinski Oak Ridge HS
7) Jacque Taylor Casa Grande HS
6) Rachel Bryan Laguna Creek HS
5) Clara Horowitz Head Royce HS
4) Laurynne Chetelat Davis HS
3) Caitlin Chock Granite Bay HS
2) Sara Bei Montgomery HS
1) Amber Trotter Ukiah HS

Comments? Omissions? Who should move up? Who should move down?

39 comments:

Anonymous said...

Fun list and everybody on the boys belongs but the order is hard to understand. #8 Olson and #6 Rowe are faster at state than everybody ranked in front of them except GF. Why are they ranked behind guys 10-30 seconds slower?

It's not difficult to compare runners separated by only a few years. To back up the cross country argument, these two are also WAY faster 3200 runners through junior year than the guys ahead of them. How they're not #2 and #3 is puzzling looking at data.

Anonymous said...

Remember that there were many years of rainy, slow State meets. Leal and Sitler were both top 10 at Footlocker. Tim Nelson was a 3 time State meet champion and 2 time Footlocker qualifier.

Anonymous said...

all great runners but the order is off. they may have been trying to balance a few runners from each part of the decade or accomplishments were jaded by college accomplishments?

i've seen every boy on this list compete and there is no way #2 Yong Sung Leal could have run with Rowe or Olson.

Anonymous said...

Great catch to mention Clara Horowitz on there. She turned pro 2-3 years ago, but I haven't heard a whole amount from her. How is she doing?

Anonymous said...

Why is Jacque Taylor ranked ahead of Tori Tyler?

Albert Caruana said...

Thanks for all the comments. I tried my best to find the 10 runners that belonged on each last. You can definitely argue the order as some of you have already.

As I mentioned before, I tried to look at only their cross country success in high school only. I looked at section and state meet titles as well as Footlocker and Nike Nationals success.

Jacque Taylor is ranked ahead of Tori Tyler because she placed in the top 5 at state during her four seasons which includes a state championship this past season.

Anonymous said...

Did Shannon Rowbury ever do much in cross country?

Anonymous said...

Cross country success only, Rowe and Olson should be ranked second and third. Just a quick comparison of Crystal, Toro, and Woodward all time lists show Rowe ahead of Sitler on all three lists.

Albert Caruana said...

Yong-Sung Leal was a 2 time NCS champion. He has the fastest time on the Hayward course for any NCS race by 10 seconds over the next best runner. He was also a 2 time state champion.

I am sure if I dig deeper, I could find more but that's a pretty good start.

Anonymous said...

yes this list is fun but also agree the order is off. Look at current times, track or cross country and get used to the fact that CA and the US is way faster than just five years ago. No matter what he did at state 8 years ago, Leal would have gotten about 10th last spring at the state 3200 and he would have won zero state titles in today's environment. It's way tougher and faster now.

8:55 juniors Rowe & Olson would smoke everyone ranked in front of them except Fernandez and probably will both go sub 8:50 this spring. I know these are track times, but their cross country times are faster also, much faster in some cases.

Fernandez
Rowe
Olson
Sitler
Leal
Nelson
Abdalla
Gotcher
Schmitt
Ghebray

Albert Caruana said...

Remember, these lists are based solely on the success of each runner during their cross country seasons.

Anonymous said...

leal was HOT. so was german. where have all the hot guys gone?

Diane said...

Ale Barrientos and Alex Dunn both State Champions and also both Footlocker Finalist.

Albert Caruana said...

Alejandra Barrientos qualified to the Footlocker Nationals and had her best seasons in the 90s.

Alex Dunn should definitely be considered for the top 10 list.

Anonymous said...

Why Alex Dunne? Didn't she run for San Clemente? Isn't that south?

Albert Caruana said...

Alex Dunn of San Lorenzo Valley.

Anonymous said...

What about Melissa Grelli?

Albert Caruana said...

Melissa Grelli of Presentation is another good addition to the girls' list. She finished in top 3 at the state meet three times including an individual title in 2002. She also qualified to the Footlocker National meet in 2003.

Any more runners that should be considered?

Diane said...

Alex Dunn Of SLV should be on your List for sure after looking at some results. Brett Gotcher highest places were 5th 2000 in 15:31 and 3rd 2001 15:47 at State also a Footlocker qualifier. Ben Sitler 4th 2004 15:31 and 2nd 2005 15:29 also A footlocker qualifier. Alex Dunn 1st 2002 15:18 and 2nd 2003 15:24 and also a Footlocker qualifier. Now in the last couple of years footlocker is not quite as deep since they now have the Nike Nationals so the strategic parts would be a little different now. Which takes the fun out of it on qualifing.

Anonymous said...

Big oversight; Jenny Aldridge of Maria Carrillo. She placed in the top 4 all four years. There should be some discounting for those girls who had only one or two good years (Sarah Sumpter and even Amber Trotter who only had two good years) The following is a breakdown of the Northbay girls GIRLS and their place at XC state
Amber Trotter 1st I '01, 2nd II '00
Sara Bei 1st II '99-'00,III '97-'98Sarah Sumpter 1st IV 2007
Jenny Aldridge 3rd II '01, 3rd III '00, 4th III '98,'99
Jacque Taylor 2nd II '07, 3rd '08, 5th '06

Anonymous said...

And then Taylor's 09 State Win

Anonymous said...

The discounting point has merit however, how do the times of the girls with one or two impressive seasons stack up against the times of the others? Sumpter holds more local course records in the Redwood Empire including Taylor's home Martinelli course. I believe Trotter has similar records in her neighborhood. Remember Ukiah's course has been used for the State meet in the past.

Anonymous said...

Trotter's years were so amazing that she could possibly be considered the greatest XC runner of all time.

Anonymous said...

My bad, NCS was at Ukiah not State.

Anonymous said...

B. Duffy (SM)

NCS
1st 1999, 2000 & 2001

CIF
2nd 1999
1st 2000 & 2001

Anonymous said...

What about Julie Nacozi of Montgomery High? And Reesey Byers of Santa Rosa High?

Albert Caruana said...

I will add 5 more runners (honorary mention) to the list for both boys and girls. Some of them have been mentioned already. Are there others?

Thank you to all of you that have contributed to this great discussion.

Anonymous said...

It's good to see Aldridge added to the honorable mention position. But based on a four year performance,she had a much better over-all performace than Sumpter.

I think the two should swap positions.

Andy Chan, Sacred Heart Cathedral said...

I've been out of town traveling, so just now getting back to read all this good stuff. To answer a question early in the comment section about Shannon Rowbury in XC - her best finish was 2nd in 2000 (17:52). 5th in the mud in 2001. Her other two cross country state meets were in the '90's. She did not ever run a post-season cross country meet (i.e. Foot Locker) partly because the Western Regional always fell the day after our school's Winter Ball.

Albert Caruana said...

Thanks Andy for chiming in.

I am planning on doing an all-decade team for track as well for boys and girls in all track and field events. At this point, I think I will have the top 5 athletes in each event going from 5th to 1st.

Anonymous said...

Aldridge does beat Sumpter hands down in anything shorter than 2.5 miles.

Anonymous said...

I think you should make it clear before you rank anything else that this is all just based on solo opinion. People are scratching their heads over the boys cross country rankings. Everything's posted as if it's official and authoritative rather than just one man's opinion on a blog.

Anonymous said...

agree would be better if it was called Albert's Rankings. it seems arrogant to post NorCal Runners of the Decade as if one guy gets to decide such a thing and I know that's not the intent

Albert Caruana said...

I think I was pretty clear on how the all-decade runners were selected by ME but in case you missed that post, here it is:

http://albertcaruana.blogspot.com/2009/12/top-10-norcal-xc-runners-of-decade-boys.html

Anonymous said...

For the CCS girls... Tori Tyler is an obvious choice. #2 from the CCS would have to be Jennifer Bergman. She ran 17:16 at Crystal (11th fastest ever and third fastest time of this decade) and is in the top 10 all-time at State for D3 and D4, not to mention 6th place finish in the FL west region.

Anonymous said...

What about Julia Stamps?

Albert Caruana said...

Julia Stamps ran in the 90s. Wrong decade.

Anonymous said...

If Tori Tyler is an obvious choice, then Ruth Graham should get some consideration:

- 3 time CCS champion
- Top 10 all time at Toro Park
- State champion in 2001
- Footlocker finalist in 2002
- Highest finish at Footlocker (12th) for a CCS athlete since Katy McCandless in 1987

Anonymous said...

Ron Harvey in 1979 at Skyline High School ( Oakland) High jumped a record 7' 1/2" in a dual meet against Fremont High School ( Oakland). He finished the year undefeated and as "All Northern California" high Jumper (Lee Balkin was all "Southern California that year at 7'3") Ron jumped 6" 10 or higher 5 times during the high school season. He was also the 13th high school person to ever clear 6' 10" at the Fresno Relays earlier that year. He went on that summer to take 2nd in the Mt Sac relays (Univ Open), as well as compete in the USA Junior National championship in Indiana.

Ron went on to play football and also high jump at Boise State University.