Saturday, October 03, 2020

2019 State XC meet Reality vs Fantasy Results

 Thanks to Jesuit coach Walt Lange. In the following link, you will be able to view the results from last year's California state XC meet as well as the results if the state meet was divided equally so that teams faced teams their own size. You can check out Walt's handy work at this LINK. The link has been updated to include team scores.

What this means is that the section meets would continue as they have been contested. Once the teams have been decided, they will then be divided equally between the five divisions. The biggest 23/24 schools would be in Division 1, the next 23/24 schools would be in Division II, and so on. 

You can share your thoughts on the potential state meet change in the comment section below.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Fantasy results are a bit off because it only compares the team time for most sections, not placing. Regardless I think this change would be beneficial for the state as a whole.

Looking at the D2 girls results is pretty interesting as St Francis gets bumped up 4 places from 6th to 2nd place.

Albert Caruana said...

Walt placed teams based on team time in the Fantasy section. That is one reason the St. Francisco, Sacramento girls moved up to 2nd. The other reason is because several of the teams that place ahead of them ended up in either Divisions 1 or III.

Anonymous said...

Let's show results with private schools vs private schools, and public schools vs public schools. COVID has made the difference more apparent than ever. This is how CIF State should be run.

Albert Caruana said...

In the top four divisions, the majority of the podium teams are public schools so if you are saying that private schools dominate the CA state meet, that is definitely not the case except for Division V which is made up of mostly smallish private schools.

Anonymous said...

I guess a better indicator of cross country success is family income. The teams that tend to perform the best at the state meet come from affluent school districts, schools, and families.

Albert Caruana said...

And how do you propose the state divides the divisions based on economics?

Anonymous said...

Wow, what a concept...creating consistent criteria for divisions in Cross Country at the state level. Look how tight the scoring gets in some divisions. This would be great from a competition perspective. The range of school sizes is big for D1, which makes complete sense. Walt's approach makes it a bit more narrow. The enrollment ranges for D2, D3, D4 and D5 all condense...750 is the widest, but most divisions would have schools of very similar enrollments.

I think this is better than adding an open division. If the various sections want to change their own championships to align with this breakdown, they can, but they don't have to do so. The state could even just state that the Divisions at the meet will be based on the qualifiers. Top 24 by enrollment in DI; next 24 in D2, etc.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the update with the team score Walt! I absolutely think this is a great and fair way to solve the current differences with divisions.

As for divisions based on socio-economic status, I don't think that should happen. I think there is merit in saying that more affluent areas usually have more resources that allow them to be successful such as coaches, proper weight room, better equipment for shoes and nutrition, family that can sustain themselves without kids help financially etc.

Actually dividing them up in practice and determining who's more affluent than another school would be difficult however. The metric of school size is consistent in all of the schools and unless anyone can think of another metric to compare schools by it should stay that way. That being said it would make for an interesting thesis for someone to dig into.

Anonymous said...

I’m seeing a lot about timelines regarding returning to sport but just a friendly reminder we are two months away and youth & HS competition is still illegal in CA per the state department of health. With schools still in full remote learning will CA department of health allow students back on campus?

Anonymous said...

I just got an email from the CCS office. They have furloughed employees and took a pay cut. Whereas they once said if they couldn’t start season 1 on time they would not make adjustments now they are saying they will postpone the season start as needed. I’m not seeing an end to this as they wait on the Governor andbthe state to move. Then county, school boards, labor unions all need to get on board. All in about 60 days. I don’t see it happening but it’s an election year and school board members will cave to pressure to be re-elected. So who has the squeaky wheel and will unions fight a return to school?

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