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You can now view all the entrants plus their performance mark from the section qualifier for this weekend's CA State Track and Field ... -
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Below is the schedule for the 2013 Cross Country season. If you see any errors, additions or can confirm any dates, please email me at alb...
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Just added: Info for Ghebray Invitational on September 22nd. With one extra Saturday in September next year, I started to hunt down the d...
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Bold meets are confirmed for 2014 season. Non bolded dates are from 2013 season. August 2014 8/22 Ryan Bousquet Memorial Run at Yorba Reg...
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Central Coast Section Results: http://www.rtspt.com/events/cif/2017Meets/ccsxc17/ Sac-Joaquin Section Section Finals: http://timerhub....
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I will start with one: “Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.” — Tom Fleming What...
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Los Gatos' Chris Foster is Mercury News boys cross country runner of the year Mercury News boys cross country first team, honorable me...
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When does summer training start?
Depends on your school's administration, county etc.
D3 just got a lot harder, good thing there's four qualifiers
The addition of Sir Francis Drake to D3 will definitely make things more interesting. It also creates an opportunity in D4 for the Acalenes boys who could potentially be better than they were last year.
Acalanes has to be the clear favorite for D4 boys title with Drake out of that division. The second and third spots are a toss up with a few teams.
D3 boys will be a Drake/Campo/Maria Carrillo battle. Carrillo graduates 5 seniors from their NCS team but they have two sub-16 minute guys returning and a lot of team depth.
On the girls side, Miramonte returns everyone and should easily take the D4 title. In D3, Campo girls still look unbeatable (and haven't lost an NCS title since 2012)
Just got word our school will be distance learning and teaching small groups of 12 that rotate once a week. No sports in the fall for us.
^@2:40...
That will change by tomorrow...
D2 looks like a lot of fun on the boys' side. De La Salle, Granada, Amador Valley, and Monte Vista looks like a good race with DLS' depth, Granada's young guns, Amador's top duo, and MV's solid core
Can we get some pre-season predictions/rankings?
Eventually.
Oh yeah and those athlete/coach interviews never happened during the 3 months off either.
I have not missed doing pre-season NCS rankings since I started them in 2007.
It's been an unusual spring and doing interviews was a bit on the back burner.
Gosh.... Whoever posted earlier needs to be more grateful. Love the content Albert
Thanks Albert. I remember at least back to 2011 that some teams linked directly to your rankings, as the same as they would do to prepcaltrack or dyestat. The local comparisons keep us motivated.
Cifsjs will not post the cbeds until our season is half over. I wish they posted them sooner so we can plan races against teams in our division....
SJS divisions are typically out sometime in August.
Or early September like last year. SJS divisions were finalized on Sept. 9, 2019
Heard this from someone high up in the CIF in regards to the Superintendents meeting last week. Thought I’d share: Word has it that the CIF is looking at starting school sports at the very earliest November. Commissioners like three distinct seasons that are shortened. Section or league championship only, and only where allowed by county guidelines as some may be allowed to gather, some are not. Some schools will have distance learning some not & they are NOT considering equity or governing who gets to practice in summer and who doesn’t. They want kids to get back to the positive culture & impact of sports. Right now that means making a plan and worry about games later. Schedules will need to be on hold until at least November as to give ADs time to know who is participating in sports and who is not. Many Superintendents feel positive about sports but it is not the driving force of decision making, student safety & education is. Considering logistics of traveling on busses, uncertainty of school distance learning plan, sports will likely be a district division, thus the need to delay and modification.
^What Superintendents meeting? I think everyone needs to realize that nobody knows anything definitive yet, and there is no drop dead date for deciding on sports...whatever happens, happens, but all the so-called experts really have no idea what is going on, including those 'high up in the CIF'...i would suggest people stop attempting to project what the Fall will look like. Coaches are working hard to prepare their athletes, and spurious conjecture just serves to fan the flames of confusion, doubt, and negativity...when what we all need, more than ever, is positivity.
This one: https://www.sgvtribune.com/2020/06/01/cif-state-executive-director-ron-nocetti-ready-to-establish-return-to-participation/
Not being possitive or negative, just stating what was said at the meeting.
While you may be focused only as a coach you need to understand that managing a distrust is a bit different and is being planned no. As stated in the article it will be a year where not everyone participates.
Email from my child’s school district:
“The district has initiated an internal Task Force to begin exploring the reopening of our schools in the 2020-21 school year based on the new guidelines released from the California Department of Education and the California Department of Public Health. The guidelines require schools to consider hybrid schedules in order to limit the total number of students on campus at one time and ensure that students are kept at least 6 feet apart where practical.”
Later it says there will be A/B scheduled rotating with half students on campus. It also says there will be no bussing as it is impossible to meet CDC guidelines and the start of school may be pushed back a month to allow planning and union negotiations. Any teachers or administrators out there care to chime in? What does this mean for fall sports?
Oakland school district will either be hybrid or distance learning in the fall per a letter from superintendent to teachers.
I know I am going to get a lot of negative comments on this but with all of the private schools starting to practice to show that they will have sports this fall, it might be time to force private schools to compete against private schools at the championship level. By not following the state and county guidelines they are trying to give themselves the competitive edge over all public schools who cannot practice or coaches face being fired. I can only imagine how the private school cross country athletes are going to destroy all public school athletes once races begin. Hopefully this will make a change at the CIF level, forcing private schools to have sections and state against other private schools.
If private schools want to compete against public schools, then follow the same guidelines. YES, I realize these decisions are being made locally, etc, but it seems like almost all private schools are allowing practice and 99% of public schools are not. I have always felt like private schools have an unfair advantage in athletics since most of the athletes have been trained for years in club sports by club coaches who do most of the work, then private coaches reap the benefits and act like they are the best coaches around.
Private school teams are bought, public school teams are made.
Vent session over, let the negative comments begin.
Well, whoever you are venting at 9:32 am, i think it is important to note that many of your assertions are completely unfounded (club coaches? Private {i assume private schools} coaches 'acting like they are the best around?), and once again sound like the tired old whining of someone in Northern California who doesn't like losing...or, have you never heard of public schools like Great Oak, Newbury Park, Dublin, Campolindo, Saugus, Maria Carillo, Sir Francis Drake, Davis, Dana Hills...do you see a pattern? All those public schools compete against private schools, and defeat them consistently...private vs. public is not a legitimate argument...it comes down to specific leagues/sections/schools and whether or not they want to do the work to be competitive. Stop whining and make a change, or perhaps the victim mentality is easier than actually doing the work?
I understand your feelings & appreciate the rant. I think that is a valid point for team sports but there’s nothing stopping kids from going out in their own or running with a friend. Heck that’s what we did in HS... that’s what they do in college. The kids that really love it & want to will do it. I also understand your feelings in regard to the private school advantage. That inequality is also apparent in public schools as well.
I think it best to hold your rage though. With Covid cases on the rise most schools will not be in session full time. It will be up to districts to determine how sports can even fit into such a model. My guess is a few wealthy communities will but most wont.
Well 10:00 am I do see a pattern:
Total Economically Disadvantaged Students (2017-2018 school year U.S. News and World Report - latest data posted by this site)
Great Oak: 19%
Newbury Park: 19%
Dublin: 12%
Campolindo: 4%
Saugus: 17%
Maria Carillo: 32%
Sir Francis Drake: 12%
Dana Hills: 25%
Davis: 18%
California Average: 60%
School I coach at: 77%
The elephant in the room.
@12:14. You nailed it. Affluent,wealthy communities that are mostly white is the pattern. And did you also notice those schools are more distance than sprint schools? Wonder why?
Mcfarland? Eleanor Roosevelt? Madera South?
Ken Reeves who knows a thing or two about winning state championships has said that there are state championship teams at every school. The challenge is in getting those students out for our teams.
Albert, from a genetic standpoint this may be true but I doubt Belarmine has the grade issues, students who are hungry & homeless, have to work to support their family or move every 4 months as their family follows harvest. There may be a genetic competent 5 runners anywhere but the barriers due to their socioeconomic status are much higher in high minority communities.
McFarland - podium team how many years ago?
Eleanor Roosevelt - enrollment 4500+, 39% economically disadvantaged students
Madera South - the only outlier mentioned so far, but have fallen on hard times over the last 3 years - hard to escape the cycle of poverty
Foothill Technology - 33% economically disadvantaged students
Not all of us coach in privileged schools
I think this is what drives the idea of equity divisions over school size. While individuals can come from anywhere when was the last time a team win came from San Jose High or James Lick in the CCS? This is a good discussion to have about our sport the top teams tend to be the wealthier, whiter schools. Simply dismissing the inequality is wrong and likely coming from a place of privledge. The playing field is not equal.
Go and check the team average for winning times at the state meet. Stanford needing to host a high school cross country invite to recruit runners thinks your Ken Reeves statement is a bit dated and out of touch. Bell coach should look into that job at Independence if he wants to win state.
@8:40AM and @8:09AM. It's not exactly some new insight that success in cross country skews towards wealthier, whiter, more suburban schools, whether they are public or private. There are probably many reasons for that, a lot economic and some cultural. Yes, it's a shame, and it doesn't have to be that way in a sport that is probably more accessible economically than any other. Just put on some shoes and shorts and go run.
But what exactly are you advocating for? There already is competition grouped largely by economics. It's called league, especially at the division levels in the large CCS leagues. WCAL vs BVAL vs SCVAL in the CCS are pretty different leagues, and winning a league championship is a goal and is meaningful at every school I've come across. The point of section and State meets is to allow the top schools from each league within the geographic area to compete against each other. If you want to group those competitions by economics, what's the point of having those meets?
Well every sport except cross country is based on equity. Not socioeconomic but by talent. And that’s my issue with equity competition. A team can win a “state title” but not finish in the top half of their league. Doesn’t make sense.
Some interesting posts here, but I have to admit I can't really follow all of the arguments...for instance:
"Bell coach should look into that job at Independence if he wants to win state."
June 14, 2020 8:40 AM
I might be wrong, but that seems to be talking about me, as the coach at Bellarmine. I just don't have any idea what it means! I DO know what Ken Reeves means: that at every school in Calilfornia, the top 7 aren't on the XC team; it is a line he uses when underscoring the importance of attracting students to come out for XC, and i agree with him.
But one thing i think I DO understand is that people are assuming that BCP is a white school, and a wealthy school. We certainly have some white students, and some wealthy students, but i am guessing most people don't know that our student body is 55% non white, or that we give out more money in tuition assistance than any other school in California, money that is awarded blindly on a need-basis only. I can only imagine what sorts of remarks those facts will elicit, but after 30 years of teaching at BCP I can tell you that the school works hard to maintain diversity on as many levels as it can, well aware it is far from perfect, but certainly trying to create a level playing field for any student who can earn admission. Our teams have always reflected that diversity, and i hope always will.
And, track doesn't have equity divisions either. Hope everyone is staying safe! Peace!
What is the Black/Latino population at Bellarmine compared to the greater downtown San Jose area where the school resides? The fact is wealthy parents in that area attend private schools such as Bell rather than send them to public. And that’s ok. Bellarmine is a great product but let’s not pretend it is full of underrepresented minorities that struggle financially. And this is not a Bellarmine issue, it’s all private schools in the area. Again, it’s ok and a solid business model but private schools get to pick & choose who they want at their school. You literally have someone choosing. That’s not diversity, that’s selcting people who “fit” into the desired product.
I appreciate Albert allowing this discussion & I think it’s important to have.
My comment has nothing to do with race, diversity, or wealth. I just believe the idea of going out and finding a state championship team by watching the PE mile is a bit antiquated. I just meant by old rationale and the inequality at the CIF level, Independence would give someone a greater chance than Bellarmine because of the pool size. Am I wrong. You kinda prove our point about inequality even further by saying that private schools are no longer limited by religion or financial issues and can now draw talent from anywhere they chose.
Thanks so much for taking the time to clarify! I understand your point now, and I think it is an excellent point/question, one that I think about often: to what degree does the size of a school affect the success of its cross country team. Bellarmine is the biggest school in the CCS, and the once-enormous Independence is now only the 5th biggest. BCP is the 20th biggest school in California (remember you have to double our CBED number because we are single sex); the only schools bigger in NorCal are Central-Fresno, Pittsburgh, Logan, Berkeley, and Dougherty Valley. No school bigger than BCP in population beat us at the State Meet last year--the 4 teams with faster team times were all smaller. Obviously, talent pool size is a factor, but getting students out is even bigger, in my opinion, and then once they are out getting them to buy into a culture that emphasizes consistency and hard work are the real keys...in my opinion.
This whole conversation started because of someone stating that private schools are not following state and county guidelines, which private schools is there proof that they are breaking these guidelines?
First, I appreciate the continued civil conversation. I do understand we are not all going to agree with each other but we have to be open-minded about listening to others with a differing opinion.
I would say that recruiting athletes for our sport through letters, reaching out to new students, checking out the PE classes etc is more important than ever because there are so many other things that pull students away from our sport.
I’m still wondering if anyone has gotten permission (following CIF guidelines) to meet with your teams?
@5:35. Not yet. We are still not allowed to meet or train in any capacity.
@7:26: Thanks for that perspective. To respond, the % of Black students at BCP is above the Santa Clara County average, and much much higher than the % in our SJ zip code. Latino students make up 20% of the student pop; Santa Clara county is 25%, and the BCP zip code is less than 10%. Of course we choose who we admit, but we only choose from the students who apply; in your wording it sounds (to me) like we send out announcements, summoning the top students!! So, our marketing of the school is obviously critical, like it is for any private school, or any college/university. We DO have a sizable student population of families that are only able to afford BCP because of the more than 5 million dollars that will be awarded on a need-based basis. I appreciate the remarks in this thread because I like the opportunity to set the facts straight, when so often people have an image of Bellarmine that is quite different from the current reality. Having taught at BCP for 30 years, I can tell you that the school strives to make income disparity a non-factor for potential students who want to attend and are admitted. I am very proud that no families will be leaving BCP due to financial difficulties caused by the pandemic; the school is finding ways to help and keep all current families enrolled for the upcoming year.
Thanks for the info Patrick, always nice to have the facts.
Hank
Patrick, Bellarmine HAS five million to hand out to families. Do you not see that is from a place of privilege? Do you not see the advantages that higher socioeconomic areas & private schools have over schools in your immediate area? And if you were to eliminate athletes there on “need based scholarships” what is the diversity really like at Bellarmine? And you mentioned “Santa Clara County” as a standard of diversity. But what about the immediate area you serve. A quick look at local schools near bellarmine show a much different story in regards to demographics, family income, population density and parent education. I appreciate the discussion and facts you presented but let’s not downplay that Brllarmine is coming from a place of privledge, racially & economically.
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