tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post2270236257783683309..comments2024-03-27T17:43:26.504-07:00Comments on Cross Country Express: Great day for NorCal runners and teams...Albert Caruanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-72467553259375356652013-12-04T09:38:30.854-08:002013-12-04T09:38:30.854-08:00The one state basketball champion in Indiana is hi...The one state basketball champion in Indiana is history as well.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-33690809331825660332013-12-04T09:37:27.015-08:002013-12-04T09:37:27.015-08:00One race, one champ, anybody see the movie Hoosier...One race, one champ, anybody see the movie Hoosiers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-23513085507533172062013-12-04T08:15:46.785-08:002013-12-04T08:15:46.785-08:00The best idea here by far, and one I could see pas...The best idea here by far, and one I could see passing because it allows the sections to maintain how they run their meet is the reseeding. It is fair, reasonable and little work on the parts of the sections. Simply input the CBED of those who qualify from your section.<br /><br />I hope this finds some traction and someone reading this will present to their league-section, etc.<br /><br />And I wouldn't be afraid of this meet going away any time soon. The amount of money they make is enormous, just off attire alone. The city of Fresno even has been paying for them to host it there. <br /><br />I would be worried that the meet would move to the Southern Section. Though I think even those down south like Fresno to want to keep it there.<br /><br />I would like to see a rotating course, north, central south. Maybe a run through the Humbolt redwoods, a traditional stop in Fresno and then the Footlocker course in San Diego.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-54127586597344710952013-12-03T23:21:52.975-08:002013-12-03T23:21:52.975-08:00I Wouldn't Push It to Much, there's only a...I Wouldn't Push It to Much, there's only a Few sports in California that even have State Championships. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-13139539595538496822013-12-03T17:13:41.810-08:002013-12-03T17:13:41.810-08:00@ GHPADD re: semi-Cal or Nor-Cal, So-Cal Champions...@ GHPADD re: semi-Cal or Nor-Cal, So-Cal Championship qualifier, this is not a novel idea but is one currently in practice. It's called the CCCAA Cross-Country Championships. <br /><br />Each conference has its championship race, then you have the Nor-Cal and So-Cal races, and then you have the State Championship race, except it is 27 teams. There are also individuals who qualify but can't tell you the numbers, and there is no separate individual race. <br /><br />Does it work? Sure, but I can tell you there is still disparity between So-Cal and Nor-Cal with So-Cal dominating.<br /><br />Would it work in high school? About as well as the current system, and IMHO, there is no need for a separate individual race. Use NXN and Footlocker for that.<br /><br />Otherwise, you'd have an absurdly long season as a result of not adding in one additional race, but two. You are still going to have your leagues, sections (some have "semi-sections"), Nor-Cal, So-Cal, States, then individual states?<br /><br />Hmmmm, good luck with that one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-26358054584331431532013-12-03T11:04:35.507-08:002013-12-03T11:04:35.507-08:00GHPADD - I didn't intend to be dismissive or p...GHPADD - I didn't intend to be dismissive or pessimistic. I like the idea of a Semi-Cal championship race in principle, and do think it's worth exploring. Let's continue to do so, but know that in the back of my mind I am already aware of significant costs that would have to be outweighed by benefits we can devise.<br /><br />Separately, can you offer an argument for why a separate individual race would be better than an Team Q + Individual Q format from either section to semi-state or semi-state to state? I don't grasp why this would be superior, but might be missing something key.Coach Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-71008468301042420902013-12-03T09:54:32.110-08:002013-12-03T09:54:32.110-08:00^ A League has to present any idea to the CCS (not...^ A League has to present any idea to the CCS (not just a person to Filios) so that means the League Commissioner has to sign-off on it first, which usually means they'd want to meet with the ADs first, and on down the line... Not enough time for all of these meetings to take place before the CCS meeting so it most likely can't be presented until the following year. Now if CIF were to step in and say they want to make a change, that's a different story but I would guess that CIF usually takes it's suggestions from the Sections so you'd still have a host of meetings to go through first.<br /><br />hankhanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-49296658801341242352013-12-02T22:05:34.477-08:002013-12-02T22:05:34.477-08:00YES!!! I love the idea of realigning the divisions...YES!!! I love the idea of realigning the divisions after the section meets / before the state meet. That makes everything fair at each section meet, and makes it most fair at the state meet. Has this idea ever been brought it up? It is literally genius and I don't see why it wouldn't make everyone happy. Tomorrow is the CCS meeting. Who is going to please bring up this brilliant idea to Steve Filios so that he can propose it to CIF?<br /><br />On a separate note, can someone do the calculations and tell how many qualifying slots each section / division / gender will be allotted for the 2014 state meet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-54986528014996020812013-12-02T21:09:07.575-08:002013-12-02T21:09:07.575-08:00@6:37, because noooo 17 or 18 year old kid would E...@6:37, because noooo 17 or 18 year old kid would EVER want to be part of a giant, selective and FREE Nike advertisement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-88371662027643066482013-12-02T18:37:15.764-08:002013-12-02T18:37:15.764-08:00NXN is not for the kids it's a marketing oppor...NXN is not for the kids it's a marketing opportunity for this this evil child labor using corporation- Just say NO!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-7075884244404401182013-12-02T17:24:16.901-08:002013-12-02T17:24:16.901-08:00Problem with NXN is they are selecting teams and i...Problem with NXN is they are selecting teams and individuals based on a power merge. The DI and DII races not only had deeper fields but the best conditions as well.<br /><br />If NXN could move back a week, individuals could go to Footlocker West and the top 20 teams at CIF could compete at NXN California....Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-22168338272671664672013-12-02T17:17:09.175-08:002013-12-02T17:17:09.175-08:00I know it's a bit early for all this NorCal Ru...I know it's a bit early for all this NorCal Runner of the year stuff.. But I still like Hurlock over Goltra. <br />This kid set the course record at NCS, raced much more than Aidan, THREW down much more than Goltra... weighs maybe 105 pounds? and will ultimately be more of a story to tell than Goltra's down the line.. (At least for me)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-82254639921706479062013-12-02T16:58:09.712-08:002013-12-02T16:58:09.712-08:00Goltra is State Champ. Goltra ran the fastest at t...Goltra is State Champ. Goltra ran the fastest at the time state championships. Goltra is Nor Cal runner of the year! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-60813758763364430582013-12-02T16:44:00.194-08:002013-12-02T16:44:00.194-08:00No problem. I am sure it's just me but since ...No problem. I am sure it's just me but since we do have a high school audience, I would prefer we not use expletives.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-59602042418493686822013-12-02T16:41:04.186-08:002013-12-02T16:41:04.186-08:00^^^
Sorry, that was my comment. Forgot the conte...^^^<br /><br />Sorry, that was my comment. Forgot the context of my post, no harm intended.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-90484900624251865502013-12-02T16:36:40.515-08:002013-12-02T16:36:40.515-08:00The above was posted by someone else. I re-posted...The above was posted by someone else. I re-posted it taking out the unnecessary expletive. Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-43993914892699129262013-12-02T16:34:58.641-08:002013-12-02T16:34:58.641-08:00Agreed @4:16
It's the CIF equivalent of when ...Agreed @4:16<br /><br />It's the CIF equivalent of when you split your team in half for a time trial when you're trying to make equal teams, it's a total cluster. Would have been awesome to have Braude and Goltra finally race each other. Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-32085811714919055702013-12-02T16:25:47.296-08:002013-12-02T16:25:47.296-08:00I totally agree with this. NXN should be a team e...I totally agree with this. NXN should be a team event and Footlocker should be the individual event as it's been in the past. <br /><br />It's a shame that Nike had to play the power game with Footlocker and started inviting the individuals as well.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-9152070204016089012013-12-02T16:16:28.994-08:002013-12-02T16:16:28.994-08:00I'd rather the effort be put into sort out the...I'd rather the effort be put into sort out the Footlocker vs NXN mess.<br /><br />Half the top ten CA boys declined NXN invitations (most likely for Footlocker)<br /><br />Footlocker (or not NXN):<br />Tal Braude SR 1 Torrey Pines 15:02.0 4:51 1138 SDS<br />Fred Huxham SR 3 Redwood 15:07.6 4:53 749 NCS<br />Garrett Corcoran SR 2 Villa Park 15:08.9 4:53 1917 SS<br />Blair Hurlock SR 1 De La Salle 15:10.1 4:53 634 NCS<br /><br />NXN:<br />1. Aidan Goltra (Campolindo) - Fastest overall male at state meet; qualifies to NXN as an individual<br />2. David Luna (Indio) – 3rd-fastest overall male at state meet; qualifies to NXN as an individual<br />Estevan DeLaRosa (Arcadia) – 4th-fastest overall male at state; qualifies to NXN as part of a team<br />3. Austin Tamagno (Brea Olinda) – 5th-fastest overall male at state; qualifies to NXN as an individual<br />4. Blake Haney (Stockdale) – 7th-fastest overall male at state; qualifies to NXN as an individual<br />5. Alan Yoho (Flintridge Prep) – 10th-fastest overall male at state; qualifies to NXN as an individual<br /><br />It lessens both events because you don't have all the top athletes at one race.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-77825813014511438002013-12-02T15:35:05.314-08:002013-12-02T15:35:05.314-08:00Coach Tim brings up some good points. However, in...Coach Tim brings up some good points. However, instead of thinking how it will not work, try thinking of how it could work. No one said that State meet had to be two or one week later, why would or wouldn't the dates of major competitions have to remain the same? Additionally, what happens if a school cannot put together 5 runners to form a team that can qualify for State, and they have one of the elite runners in the State. No individual race means that you have an appearance of having the best run...but not! Not every school has a "great" team and should a great runner be punished for that? All good questions, ideas, etc. If a forum could develop a great plan that "could" work, selling a great plan to CIF is not much of an issue. Developing one will require major brainstorming by many who are seeking to move running forward, not hold it back. So, how does the running community move forward with bringing the best to the State meet in all Sections and Divisions, and make it enticing for others outside the sport to want to watch? Big questions, but as school budgets dry up, are re-directed, etc., new solutions will be found. The question is will they be forced on the running community or will the running community be a part of the solution? GHPADDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02051026707928741253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-33234869726856842372013-12-02T13:47:08.346-08:002013-12-02T13:47:08.346-08:00There's some interesting ideas here!
I like t...There's some interesting ideas here!<br /><br />I like the idea of re-seeding divisions before state, at least in principle. Running against similar-sized schools seems fair for the runners and a reasonable goal to pursue.<br /><br />I'm not sold on the idea of an open division - mostly because (as stated earlier), How do you choose? Any objective measure is going to be difficult at best based on different championship courses, and any subjective measure opens the door for controversy.<br /><br />I <i>strongly</i> disagree with GHPADD's idea of an "Individual qualifiers" race. Yes, it'd be great to have an all-team race, but there's always the argument that the best should race the best, and this solution seems to punish great individuals whether they're on a great team or not by depriving them of that opportunity.<br /><br />I'm not sold on a NorCal/SoCal championship pre-state, for several reasons: 1. Travel requirements for a lot of schools would be difficult (for some several weeks in a row). 2. Travel accomodations would be difficult (think it's hard booking a room at state on 2 weeks notice? Now you get to do it twice, on one week's notice!) 3. Geography - Let's be honest: "SoCal" is comprised of only three sections: SS, LAS, SDS. Everything else is "NorCal" (CS could go either way, but most of it is north of the CCS southern boundary, which no one would argue is "SoCal"). At that point, does the benefit really outweigh the cost?Coach Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-67366811841502239732013-12-02T12:19:43.696-08:002013-12-02T12:19:43.696-08:00So, what's the breakdown on this weekend? Gol...So, what's the breakdown on this weekend? Goltra has confirmed he will run at NXN, but have both Huxham and Hurlock confirmed for Footlocker West?<br /><br />I ask because it looks like the winner of that head-to-head will have implications on Norcal Runner of the Year. If Huxham wins, I think it will be difficult to see someone other than Goltra getting Norcal Runner, since Huxham also got Hurlock at State. If Hurlock wins, it might be more of a toss-up given his NCS performance and the fact that there was never a head-to-head race against Goltra.<br /><br />Then again, maybe the races this weekend don't mean as much given what happened with Lawson last year.<br /><br />Anyone else have an opinion on this?<br /><br />No matter what happens, I'm sure the debate for ROY will be a heated one given that it involves Goltra, haha.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-19188850571098422372013-12-02T12:06:37.109-08:002013-12-02T12:06:37.109-08:00Albert, your right. Albert, your right. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-11169597136782829032013-12-02T11:51:38.434-08:002013-12-02T11:51:38.434-08:00The current state meet divisions are very fair for...The current state meet divisions are very fair for Division IV and V teams because those numbers are the same for all sections. That is not the case for the top 3 divisions. Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-86021471061432919532013-12-02T11:44:55.339-08:002013-12-02T11:44:55.339-08:00School Size Always Will Be in Favor of A Larger Sc...School Size Always Will Be in Favor of A Larger School Majority of the Time! The Way the State Meet is Run Now is perfectly fine!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com