Great list. Thanks Albert! The years are wrong in many cases, however. And I don't get why German Fernandez has the same exact time listed in the two-mile as a 17-year-old and 18-year-old (8:34.40). Ditto for Allyson Felix in the 200 meters (17 through 19-years-old). East Bay athletes include Ashton Purvis (14-year-old record of 11.40 wind-legal in 100 meters), Trinity Wilson (14.21 in 100 hurdles, the 13-year-old record) and Ciarra Brewer (17-5 1/4 as an 11-year-old).
To Anonymous at 6:10 PM I had the same though, I think it is they set it when they where the younger of the two, and it is listed as both, to have a flow from younger to older, slower to faster
Don't know where to put this Albert but I would hope you are an advocate against performance enhancing drugs and would take down Calvin and Alvin Harrison from your all-time lists to vote.
Why? Where is your proof that the HS marks the Harrison's ran that are ratified as legitimate were done with the help of drugs? The one 400 mark (which is not Calvin's officially recognized HS best) was done while taking cold medicine. Why should their post HS antics take away what they did accomplish while in HS. If this is the case, then I guess Danielson should be removed from all HS lists as well...
I cannot speak for Calvin Harrison's failed drug test in high school or his ban for PEDs as a professional, as I'm not familiar with the situation, but I do feel there should be drastic measures for athletes who use PEDs including being removed from all results as if they never ran. Over the top? Yes! But only when cheaters are held liable will it ever stop. Cheating in HS or not, this is a major issue. And since when did cold medicine become a no no? It's a masking agent and the obviously tested due to being suspect. Clean or not a line should be drawn.
Part of the measures taken, in my opinion, should include all records, awards, etc. stricken and the athlete held liable for any prize money earned.
Athletes who cheat using banned substances steal not just financial sponsorships but also marketing and advertising deals. And what price tag do we put standing atop of the podium as your national anthem plays? They are stealing not just money but dreams and moments that can never be returned.
For this reason I strongly feel these performances from athletes found guilty of taking PEDs at any level must not be praised. We must send the young athlete the message that this is not ok and there are dire consequences for for you actions. We will not see the reduction of PED use until the consequences outweigh the benefit.
I've wondered if the disgrace of Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong will deter youth from the temptation of winning at all costs. I fear it hasn't.
I totally get what people say about not rewarding drug-enhanced performance. But I would appreciate a nuance: how about a "hall of shame" where known clean pre-drug-use HS record performances are posted, but with a warning: "these athletes could have kept these records for all time if they had stayed clean". The idea would be to emphasize *to HS athletes* that if they don't use PED's they can make and keep records, by doing the hard work. Just a thought. [PS there might not be many that could be "known clean" which I know would be a problem.]
Great list. Thanks Albert! The years are wrong in many cases, however. And I don't get why German Fernandez has the same exact time listed in the two-mile as a 17-year-old and 18-year-old (8:34.40). Ditto for Allyson Felix in the 200 meters (17 through 19-years-old). East Bay athletes include Ashton Purvis (14-year-old record of 11.40 wind-legal in 100 meters), Trinity Wilson (14.21 in 100 hurdles, the 13-year-old record) and Ciarra Brewer (17-5 1/4 as an 11-year-old).
ReplyDeleteNotice that with few exceptions, the record holders in the 13-and-under ages are not the same ones in the 14-19 ages.
ReplyDeleteMitch Kingery (Crystal Springs course record holder) in the marathon!
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ReplyDeleteI had the same though, I think it is they set it when they where the younger of the two, and it is listed as both, to have a flow from younger to older, slower to faster
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ReplyDeleteDon't know where to put this Albert but I would hope you are an advocate against performance enhancing drugs and would take down Calvin and Alvin Harrison from your all-time lists to vote.
ReplyDeleteWhy? Where is your proof that the HS marks the Harrison's ran that are ratified as legitimate were done with the help of drugs? The one 400 mark (which is not Calvin's officially recognized HS best) was done while taking cold medicine. Why should their post HS antics take away what they did accomplish while in HS. If this is the case, then I guess Danielson should be removed from all HS lists as well...
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I cannot speak for Calvin Harrison's failed drug test in high school or his ban for PEDs as a professional, as I'm not familiar with the situation, but I do feel there should be drastic measures for athletes who use PEDs including being removed from all results as if they never ran. Over the top? Yes! But only when cheaters are held liable will it ever stop. Cheating in HS or not, this is a major issue. And since when did cold medicine become a no no? It's a masking agent and the obviously tested due to being suspect. Clean or not a line should be drawn.
ReplyDeletePart of the measures taken, in my opinion, should include all records, awards, etc. stricken and the athlete held liable for any prize money earned.
Athletes who cheat using banned substances steal not just financial sponsorships but also marketing and advertising deals. And what price tag do we put standing atop of the podium as your national anthem plays? They are stealing not just money but dreams and moments that can never be returned.
For this reason I strongly feel these performances from athletes found guilty of taking PEDs at any level must not be praised. We must send the young athlete the message that this is not ok and there are dire consequences for for you actions. We will not see the reduction of PED use until the consequences outweigh the benefit.
I've wondered if the disgrace of Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong will deter youth from the temptation of winning at all costs. I fear it hasn't.
I totally get what people say about not rewarding drug-enhanced performance. But I would appreciate a nuance: how about a "hall of shame" where known clean pre-drug-use HS record performances are posted, but with a warning: "these athletes could have kept these records for all time if they had stayed clean". The idea would be to emphasize *to HS athletes* that if they don't use PED's they can make and keep records, by doing the hard work. Just a thought. [PS there might not be many that could be "known clean" which I know would be a problem.]
ReplyDeleteI am definitely anti PEDs and it looks like most people feel the same way based on the votes so far.
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