tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post6086843225815132206..comments2024-03-27T17:43:26.504-07:00Comments on Cross Country Express: NCS vs CCS at the state meetAlbert Caruanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-30248869285638181132019-12-18T14:31:17.571-08:002019-12-18T14:31:17.571-08:00The much anticipated 2019 State Meet Fantasy has b...The much anticipated 2019 State Meet Fantasy has been uploaded here: http://tinyurl.com/urj76zb<br />The annual Fantasy envisions a state meet with teams in divisions based purely on enrollment. Division placement at the Section meets is irrelevant. This is the system used by most Sections at their own level but applied to the State meet. The Clovis Invitational at Woodward Park employed the system in 2019.<br /><br />Just some of the changes with this system:<br /><br />Newbury Park HS moves up a division.<br />Loyola HS moves up a division and drops 3 places.<br />Ridgeview HS moves up a division and drops 4 places.<br />Central HS in the Central Section moves up two divisions and drops 11 places.<br />Lowell HS moves up 3 divisions and drops 13 places.<br /><br />Agoura HS moves up 1 division, drops 5 places.<br />Royal: up 1, down 7.<br />Chico: up 1, down 8.<br />Moorpark: up 1, down 7<br />Arroyo, up 1, down 6.<br /><br />Willow Glen: down 1, up 8, now on the podium<br />Sir Francis Drake, up 1, down 1 and off the podium<br />Laguna Beach up 3 and on the podium<br /><br />The game has some flaws—it’s based on team times, not all divisions are the same size (24,24,24, then 23,23). <br /><br />Not surprsingly, some sections place significantly better in the Fantasy version than in the Reality version. Walt Langenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-63478136830109820632019-12-05T10:14:33.862-08:002019-12-05T10:14:33.862-08:00San Diego's Divisions and explanation
https://...San Diego's Divisions and explanation<br />https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HjSZXU1_3hfa0m3WgkOUHHrNnjO_uxWwEEx8xH90lAU/edit#gid=1699091203<br />http://www.cifsds.org/uploads/2/3/3/6/23368454/cifsds_sports_divisions_initial_posting_letter_2018-19.pdf<br /><br />San Joaquin<br />http://cifsjs.org/sports/xc/2019-20info/xc_divisions_1920.pdf<br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-38455265895955024772019-12-03T16:19:12.810-08:002019-12-03T16:19:12.810-08:00Divisions are an interesting thing. On one side, s...Divisions are an interesting thing. On one side, size of schools matter. On another you have individuals qualifying and competing at state when school size has no relevance, as seen this year with the top 3 girls spread throughout D1, D2 & D3. You have a girl run 18:33 stay home because they are at a big school yet another individual make state over a minute slower because they go to a small private school. Makes no sense. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-57545483997129272252019-12-03T11:30:30.980-08:002019-12-03T11:30:30.980-08:00CCS was better in everything but D3. But there wer...CCS was better in everything but D3. But there were years when D3 was just as competitive, such as when Aptos (and now Santa Cruz) were state contenders. But D3 is just weak, nothing you can do about that. But everything else is superior. There is clearly no advantage to switching divisions and I like the divisions the way they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-85586247045710362402019-12-02T23:09:36.157-08:002019-12-02T23:09:36.157-08:00It's based on top 10 finishes over the last fo...It's based on top 10 finishes over the last four years. More top 10 finishes gives you the opportunity to keep or gain more spots. Less or no top 10 finishes means you may lose spots. As long as there are at least 8 schools in a division, that section gets a minimum of two teams. This is why you have 8 teams in NCS division 1.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-58002593842414531582019-12-02T19:42:10.037-08:002019-12-02T19:42:10.037-08:00I agree with adjusting the divisions as mentioned ...I agree with adjusting the divisions as mentioned above. This was discussed briefly at the SCVAL post-season meeting but no consensus was reached so we didn't create a proposal to take to CCS. We were told that CCS wants to keep the section meet highly competitive in all divisions even if that means we are weaker at the State level. But it does seem to be getting harder to compete against the huge SS schools. The Los Altos boys broke our school record each year for the past three years and yet went from placing 10th in 2017 to 12th in 2018 and then 16th in 2019. The faster we get, the worse we place! I realize conditions were perfect and times a little faster this year but that's still a big drop. I fear we may now lose that 3rd boys team spot in D1 next year:(Steph Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-50447553727523931412019-12-02T18:29:10.629-08:002019-12-02T18:29:10.629-08:00How are the number of state berth per section dete...How are the number of state berth per section determined?. I read there is a four year criteria, but does anyone know the actual formulaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-50939168722084269352019-12-02T16:49:39.264-08:002019-12-02T16:49:39.264-08:00If you look at the CCS qualifiers this year and co...If you look at the CCS qualifiers this year and compare to the NCS division break down, Bellarmine, St. Ignatius, Sacred Heart Prep, Half Moon Bay, King City, Scotts Valley and the current d5s stay in their current divisions. Everyone else moves down. That can make the other divisions more competitive and possibly bring more state qualifying spots to CCS if they perform well in Fresno. That's a win for the CCS overall don't you think?<br /><br />Interesting cascading effect if you look back at CCS results...<br />D1 Boys: Bellarmine and Homestead would still advance. <br />D1 Girls: Alisal, San Benito would advance with Gunn and Palo Alto going to D2<br />D2 Boys: Los Altos moves down into D2 from D1. Who gets the other D2 Boys spots as Willow Glen, St. Francis, Lynbrook move to d3. <br />D2 Girls: Palo Alto and Gunn move down into D2 from D1. Who gets the other D2 Girls spot as Willow Glen, St. Francis, Lynbrook move to D3.<br />D3 Boys and Girls: St. Ignatius stays, while Sacred Heart Cathedral moves to d4. D3 gets much more competitive with Willow Glen, St. Francis, Lynbrook moving down. Maybe CCS picks up another qualifying spot to state? <br />D4: Sacred Heart Cathedral moves in and Menlo moves to D5. D4 probably stays just as competitive. <br />D5: Menlo moves down and D5 gets more competitive too. Depending on how teams do at state, could pick up another qualifying spot. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-49545188417922467742019-12-02T16:23:56.184-08:002019-12-02T16:23:56.184-08:00Agee that for the benefit of the students, adjusti...Agee that for the benefit of the students, adjusting CCS divisions to be more in alignment with what NCS has done. What league is willing to step up and make that proposal at Tuesday's CCS Season evaluation meeting? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-44920292045326139842019-12-02T14:16:27.871-08:002019-12-02T14:16:27.871-08:00Added both teams. Thank you for catching those two...Added both teams. Thank you for catching those two ommissions. Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-76595064857540304732019-12-02T14:11:31.974-08:002019-12-02T14:11:31.974-08:00Forgot Granada boys 7th div. 2 & Monte Vista g...Forgot Granada boys 7th div. 2 & Monte Vista girls 19th div. 2 from NCS on your comparison. I am an NCS guy but strongly believe if CCS adjusted their divisions closer to what NCS does, they would be even better in div. 2-5. & would pick up more state slots in the process. I have always believed a school should compete with other schools closer to their size. CCS would take a beating in div. 1 (other than Bellermine) but no different than NCS has (until the emergence of Dublin} which makes this years performance at state that more impressive. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-48095344590338762242019-12-02T12:37:44.184-08:002019-12-02T12:37:44.184-08:00I think you forgot to include the Granada Boys tea...I think you forgot to include the Granada Boys team in Div II (they placed 7th)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-19756327895515190202019-12-02T12:07:06.225-08:002019-12-02T12:07:06.225-08:00Great year for CCS, but year but I'd go with N...Great year for CCS, but year but I'd go with NCS year in year out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-56417761742912734032019-12-02T11:28:52.512-08:002019-12-02T11:28:52.512-08:00CCS has to be open to adjusting its divisions to b...CCS has to be open to adjusting its divisions to be equitable to the rest of the State especially SS. If we want to start somewhere, we should begin with D5 by moving it up to 600 like the rest of the State as Patrick talked about in his interview a while back here. This year in CCS, D5 Girls only had 6 teams racing and the boys 8 teams only. <br /><br />I also believe St Francis would be a D3 school and I'm sure them along with others who move down to D3 would do some serious damage at State (after Campolindo). And no disrespect to Lick from NCS but Menlo School Girls would've won D5 State by quite a margin if the CCS divisions were equal to the rest of the State as is NCS.<br /><br />Regardless a great showing by CCS especially in D4 with both Scotts Valley boys and Menlo School girls runner-ups and King City boys 5th. And St Francis finishing 2nd at State was impressive as well since again they would've been a D3 school based on enrollment and might've given Campolindo a run for the State Title. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com