tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post607875828796983951..comments2024-03-27T17:43:26.504-07:00Comments on Cross Country Express: Norcal Rankings #6Albert Caruanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-36767017903941230232007-11-02T20:41:00.000-07:002007-11-02T20:41:00.000-07:00I am going to wait until all the leagues are done ...I am going to wait until all the leagues are done this coming week. While the CCS and SJS leagues (I believe) are now complete, many of the leagues in NCS (as well as Oakland and San Francisco) are still competing. I think it's only fair to give those teams a chance to compete at their league final before I put up my latest rankings.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-36233797618323946092007-11-02T17:50:00.000-07:002007-11-02T17:50:00.000-07:00Hi Albert,now that most of the leagues have been r...Hi Albert,<BR/><BR/>now that most of the leagues have been run, are you going to do rankings again? Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-47142070024647700582007-10-28T14:36:00.000-07:002007-10-28T14:36:00.000-07:00Fair enough. I will have five runners in addition...Fair enough. I will have five runners in addition to the top 10 in the next rankings following all the league finals.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-11706438476889742162007-10-28T14:26:00.000-07:002007-10-28T14:26:00.000-07:00appreciate efforts. suggestion to make individual ...appreciate efforts. suggestion to make individual rankings better is to expand on the rise list, like expanded team list. then don't have to leave off runners like row (los altos) and hunt (aptos) who are now running better than proven good runners (suhr) or others mentioned. more names mentioned means more interest in list and less inequity. maybe also recognize some good frosh/sophs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-73901676894138933182007-10-27T18:55:00.000-07:002007-10-27T18:55:00.000-07:00No problem Peter. There have been some slight cha...No problem Peter. <BR/><BR/>There have been some slight changes but I could get them out by tomorrow evening.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-12632718789528598432007-10-27T18:47:00.000-07:002007-10-27T18:47:00.000-07:00Albert:The NCS rankings are yearning for an update...Albert:<BR/><BR/>The NCS rankings are yearning for an update. Your loyal audience awaits your utterances. <BR/><BR/>Peter BrewerPeter Brewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579274530903889587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-21016053188335212782007-10-27T18:43:00.000-07:002007-10-27T18:43:00.000-07:00Albert:The NCS rankings are yearning for an update...Albert:<BR/><BR/>The NCS rankings are yearning for an update, even though there might not be much in the way of change or shifting in the order of schools.<BR/><BR/>Peter BrewerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-73313951749963597462007-10-27T17:58:00.000-07:002007-10-27T17:58:00.000-07:00I don't think so. I think by now, everybody is hu...I don't think so. I think by now, everybody is humming along and ready to roll. <BR/><BR/>The serious runners train all year round and their break is usually from racing not running itself.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-40376041679319659812007-10-27T17:46:00.000-07:002007-10-27T17:46:00.000-07:00Could one then say that these athletes are still i...Could one then say that these athletes are still in the "first half" of their XC seasons as far as training and competition? Several XC runners' track seasons extend well into July, whioh isn't "spring track."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-84861492817290462922007-10-27T17:41:00.000-07:002007-10-27T17:41:00.000-07:00There are many factors that go into ranking teams ...There are many factors that go into ranking teams and individuals. I try to keep the whole season in mind (as someone mentioned) as opposed to just looking at one race.<BR/><BR/>There is no question that Garrett Rowe is very talented and will do very well in the races ahead of him. Like I said earlier, now that we have some of these runners facing each other, rankings become pretty clear.<BR/><BR/>I do agree that Philip MacQuitty is better than the 8th best runner but based on the races he has run this year, how do you move him ahead of the runners 1 through 7?<BR/><BR/>The late track season for Brad Surh just meant that he joined the cross country racing scene just a little later than most. I don't think the late start will make any difference now that we are into the league championships followed by section and state etc. Just my 2 cents on that one.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-45912141220129039502007-10-27T17:25:00.000-07:002007-10-27T17:25:00.000-07:00maybe you should consider whether a kid took summe...maybe you should consider whether a kid took summer school classes? probably detracts from fall cross country performance as much as running a long track seasonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-13109328125400968882007-10-27T16:29:00.000-07:002007-10-27T16:29:00.000-07:00Since it was mentioned earlier, I would be curious...Since it was mentioned earlier, I would be curious to know if starting XC training later than other athletes due to extended track seasons may or may not be "relevant." Coaches, Mr. Caruana...your thoughts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-117267882292450792007-10-27T14:42:00.000-07:002007-10-27T14:42:00.000-07:00Becuase at DLS/CHS Nike, Petaluma ran a team time ...Becuase at DLS/CHS Nike, Petaluma ran a team time 23 minutes faster than Will C. Wood.<BR/><BR/>Petaluma- 1:21:05<BR/>Will C. Wood- 1:44:5Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-62040583284047339982007-10-27T13:53:00.000-07:002007-10-27T13:53:00.000-07:00why is petaluma #1? what about will c. wood? they ...why is petaluma #1? what about will c. wood? they have been working hard this yearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-832999983268541342007-10-27T13:02:00.000-07:002007-10-27T13:02:00.000-07:00Didn't see Sac races guess Rowe ran 33 sec faster ...Didn't see Sac races guess Rowe ran 33 sec faster than Suhr there? One race, but very big one compared to small meets at CS so far. Rowe ran 15:28 at CS about 3 weeks ago and Suhr ran 15:34 at about same time. Stanford is big but long time ago. spring track irrelevant.Rowe has better second half season tahn Suhr. agree with Vanzant that rowe ranked 4 guys ahead of suhr. like this wesite also but rankings need tweaking. mcquitty definitely top 5<BR/><BR/>thxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-72131057869627586362007-10-27T11:18:00.000-07:002007-10-27T11:18:00.000-07:00I would venture to say that Mr. Caruana takes into...I would venture to say that Mr. Caruana takes into consideration but doesn't put that much weight on one particular race (i.e. Mt. SAC) to determine whether a particular athlete or team moves up or down in his rankings from one week to the next! It is a compilation of their performances over the course of the season. As an example, Brad Surh who as I understand it, started his XC late due to the extended track season, ran a 15:52 at Stanford (Rowe=16:10). Surh's 5K Clovis time a week later was 15:40. Just this week, Surh ran a 15:23 in less than ideal conditions at Crystal. Just a little perspective on not getting too hung upon on one race or rankings for that matter!!! Mr. Caruana does a great job looking at the "overall" picture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-5548122736678525902007-10-26T21:25:00.000-07:002007-10-26T21:25:00.000-07:00I will try to get to the NCS rankings sometime thi...I will try to get to the NCS rankings sometime this weekend or early next week.<BR/><BR/>As for Monte Vista and Deer Valley, I wouldn't be shocked if DV defeated MV. <BR/><BR/>That's why they run the races.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-16562575277246712902007-10-26T20:02:00.000-07:002007-10-26T20:02:00.000-07:00Hmm... I like it.Hmm... I like it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-44046263551567946332007-10-26T20:01:00.000-07:002007-10-26T20:01:00.000-07:00when are NCS rankings coming out? as far as monte ...when are NCS rankings coming out? as far as monte vista and deer valley match up, anything can happen. it all comes down to who shows up on November 17. maybe dv will surprise like every other year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-45301540313880688672007-10-26T18:46:00.000-07:002007-10-26T18:46:00.000-07:00Peter Brewer posted this earlier and I would have ...Peter Brewer posted this earlier and I would have to agree with him.<BR/><BR/>2. Monte Vista -- This is not so much that they are that close right now to Amador, but that they are perhaps a half-notch up on Deer Valley. The Mustangs ran very well at Mt. SAC and Kanzaria has been improving each week. Their pack is also a close one.<BR/><BR/>3. Deer Valley has been running excellently after opening eyes with a narrow dual meet loss to DLS. Matt Rin has the front duties for yet another tight team pack.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-437697628728323242007-10-26T18:38:00.000-07:002007-10-26T18:38:00.000-07:00Deer Valley vs. Monte Vista input?Deer Valley vs. Monte Vista input?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-41859937684740453592007-10-26T16:47:00.000-07:002007-10-26T16:47:00.000-07:00thanks, albert. love the blogthanks, albert. love the blogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-44316814102917211112007-10-26T16:33:00.000-07:002007-10-26T16:33:00.000-07:00When doing the rankings, I try not to project for ...When doing the rankings, I try not to project for the future. I am sure there are runners and teams that are not even listed at all the could belong in the top 10. For example, Jefferson's Gambileg Bor, has raced very little but come league time, he will show what he has when he races Brad Surh in the PAL final.<BR/><BR/>I believe Rettner's conversion tool is more accurate from Crystal Springs to Woodward since those courses have not changed. Mt. SAC is about 18-20 seconds faster than Woodward so that is where I came up with 15:23 for Garrett. <BR/><BR/>I will have new rankings next week after the many league finals. <BR/><BR/>I appreciate the input and comments. I look forward to watching Garrett and Philip facing off next week. Should be a great race.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-88619143613549208012007-10-26T16:19:00.000-07:002007-10-26T16:19:00.000-07:00Albert, You're probably right on the team ranking...Albert, You're probably right on the team rankings. There's alot of teams closely bunched. CCS and the other sections will be exciting.<BR/><BR/>Regarding course time conversions between Crystal & MSAC, I saw an estimate somewhere (dyestat?) that MSAC is about 18-20 sec slower. Charlie Rettner's converter on the Lynbrook site uses 15 sec. While the courses are an inconsequential 17 yards different, MSAC's hills are FAR sharper than Crystal's. MSAC hills starting around 1.5m bring runners to a virtual walk they're so steep. Footing's comparable, MSAC's much "turnier". <BR/><BR/>I think Rettner's conversion is a little low and that 18-20 sec is about right. Just my 2 cents after observing both courses and talking to coaches and runners.<BR/> <BR/>Regarding Garrett Rowe, I saw his race and he did cruise the last 400M. He took off from a group of 4-5 guys at 1.5m and built up a huge lead over the next mile. He looked around, smiled, even waived at his friends the last Q mile.<BR/><BR/>It would have been interesting to see Rowe in Parker Stinson's race or another seeded heat with people to chase. Rowe was 13 sec faster than #6 Nate Beach, who had people to run with and was faster than Durell & Surh who also had competition in front and behind. These guys ran in seeded races earlier in the day when it was 15-20 degrees cooler. Running a race like that as a 15 y.o. soph is impressive.<BR/><BR/>I believe Rowe's easily top ten on your list. For the record, there is no way MacQuitty is #8 either. Both these sophs are easily top 10 and MacQuitty is easily top 5 in my opinion. They will be 1-2 on your list next year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-85822897679630958312007-10-26T15:48:00.000-07:002007-10-26T15:48:00.000-07:00Girls Top 10I thought Crystal Esparza deserved an ...Girls Top 10<BR/><BR/>I thought Crystal Esparza deserved an at least "up and coming" after her 18:07 performance at Mt. SAC. <BR/><BR/>Not sure what that converts to at the Crystal Springs course everyone is talking about.<BR/><BR/>BTW - Great websiteRunninrubenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07194271244008627905noreply@blogger.com