tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post2295908131048784375..comments2024-03-27T17:43:26.504-07:00Comments on Cross Country Express: CCS ResultsAlbert Caruanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-23236293220645717692011-11-27T15:46:38.545-08:002011-11-27T15:46:38.545-08:00I deleted previous post because of the profanity b...I deleted previous post because of the profanity but here it is without the enthusiastic language:<br /><br />im good friends with jackie, i run for the aptos cross country team myself. there's no conspiracy theory or anything like that. jackie was very busy with water polo and could only make practice 1 day a week as it is, only because she was a star polo player. so that alone should give her some respect. the way our schedule lined up was that we had 4 meets that were competing for league, 2 of which were at aptos and she could skip water polo practice those days to attend. she needed to be cleared because she didnt compete at SCCAL, our league meet because she had the SCCAL water polo game at the same time. calm down now.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-69312622732723579072011-11-20T10:43:32.095-08:002011-11-20T10:43:32.095-08:00First lets make this straight. League is not post...First lets make this straight. League is not post-season, all teams compete in the "LEAGUE" finals so it is a league meet. 2 of 5 is not 50%. And what two races did this girl compete in? We still have not heard why there would be a reason to go to the CCS for a waiver then. It doesn't add up. Why then did the SCCAL not let her run their league meet if she met the 50%?<br /><br />And as for Carlmont, who cares who did what in the summer. Do you really think that if a kid comes home for the summer and then wins an NCAA Championship that who they trained with in the summer gets the credit? It is mileage. It is awesome that there is a coach willing to do this over the summer (for money) so they can have organized structure, but it is the coach during the season that gets the credit. <br /><br />Need another analogy? I have never heard a strength and conditioning coach who works with the team in the off season try to take credit for winning the super bowl. Part of the reason, sure they get a ring, but the main reason, nope.<br /><br />Here is the reality of it all. Aptos probably broke the rules and is stretching the rules like "its 4, not 5." This should be clarified then if the final meet is NOT a league meet in the rules. But who gives a crap, the kid goes to their school so if you can't beat them with a water polo player then shame on you.<br /><br />And shame on you for trying to steal credit from a head coach who came into a crappy situation did their best and is having success. Who care who ran what in the off season. Most good kids do run in the summer with or without a coach so get over it.Not a Carlmont, Rf United or Aptos Parentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-82673649755351247992011-11-20T08:49:53.100-08:002011-11-20T08:49:53.100-08:00Carlmont Parent - Let me get this straight. First ...Carlmont Parent - Let me get this straight. First someone give props to the Carlmont coach after the boys and girls sweep CCS. Next you feel the need to point out the team trained the whole summer with their old coach while also taking a dig at Carlmont coach.<br /><br />I don't follow CCS so I'm a bit confused. Who coached the Carlmont kids from mid-August to now?NCS Parentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-23746076201422264462011-11-19T23:25:17.948-08:002011-11-19T23:25:17.948-08:00Sorry but I am just stating some facts that Anonym...Sorry but I am just stating some facts that Anonymous 8:27pm obviously does not know.Carlmont Parentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-1654691007400562722011-11-19T20:23:41.802-08:002011-11-19T20:23:41.802-08:00Maybe "Carlmont Parent" should just go b...Maybe "Carlmont Parent" should just go by "RF United Parent"--it would seem more fitting.Coach Puppionenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-44028405688974367182011-11-19T16:34:03.114-08:002011-11-19T16:34:03.114-08:00I thought we had moved on from this unnecessary sn...I thought we had moved on from this unnecessary sniping. Sadly. I am wrong.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-87262452787685568872011-11-19T15:40:04.096-08:002011-11-19T15:40:04.096-08:00To Anonymous 8:27pm....please note that all of the...To Anonymous 8:27pm....please note that all of the Carlmont Varsity boys and their #1 girl train with RF United off season. Randazzo just accepts the credit.Carlmont Parentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-12018612011816611912011-11-18T22:20:04.302-08:002011-11-18T22:20:04.302-08:00um leave her alone she followed the rulzum leave her alone she followed the rulzUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11981420007791125818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-19883475120724873832011-11-15T15:04:43.575-08:002011-11-15T15:04:43.575-08:00Aptos did not break any rules. Jackie Stanger ran ...Aptos did not break any rules. Jackie Stanger ran in 2 out of the 4 league meets. If you can calculate it thats 50%. Aptos still would have won their division if you take out Jackie (there number 5) and count their number 6 Karen Himenez as their 5th. Thats how good they are! Congrats to Aptos and all of the other teams and individuals that qualified for state!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-70641577747343878102011-11-15T09:46:26.932-08:002011-11-15T09:46:26.932-08:00Either way, props to the coach and the kids for ru...Either way, props to the coach and the kids for running so well... down in the south end of the section we knew the potential Aptos had all season and it was good to see them put it together... state should be fun for them!!! Carlmont sure did a great job also coming together at the end! Here's hoping all CCS teams and runners represent the section well at state! We have some GREAT crews and individuals representing!!!<br />Coach Ibarra<br />NMCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-8261692337323502392011-11-15T09:04:49.441-08:002011-11-15T09:04:49.441-08:00If you look at the SCCAL XC By-Laws:
http://www.s...If you look at the SCCAL XC By-Laws:<br /><br />http://www.sccal.org/constitution3.htm#CROSS<br /><br />It doesn't state if the League Championship meet is to be considered a "Regularly scheduled league meet" as the CCS rule states (you would need to contact CCS for clarification on this), so, as the CCS rule states, it could be interpreted that the Championships aren't considered a league meet (I understand that Championships are considered post-competition, qualifying for CCS, and are not included in a leagues maximum # of contests so one might also interpret that the League Championship is not counted as a League meet). Once again, one would need to contact CCS and/or the SCCAL Commissioner to get further clarification on what is/isn't considered a League meet. So if the Championship Meet is not counted, then the 50% rule was fulfilled.<br /><br />As to why they needed to clear this with CCS and the SCCAL Commissioner first, well, it could be a whole host of things (maybe concern about playing 2 sports during the same season, etc) but you would need to contact the Aptos AD in order to get their reasons for why they did what they did.<br /><br />hankhanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-56484606139109609852011-11-15T07:34:05.042-08:002011-11-15T07:34:05.042-08:00Hank,
Technically they have 5, including the SCCA...Hank,<br /><br />Technically they have 5, including the SCCAL meet.<br /><br />If she met the 50% rule then why did the athlete need to be cleared by CCS? Something doesn't add up and it would be nice to know what.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-60560147781293231042011-11-14T19:58:54.988-08:002011-11-14T19:58:54.988-08:00The girls' times are definitely impressive, an...The girls' times are definitely impressive, and all those girls mentioned will likely have very successful college careers. However, it is dangerous to compare them with Bergman, as she had continual bad luck (sickness, injury) throughout high school that really hindered her ability to train. Now that she is relatively injury free, she is really seeing her potential. If she had been injury/illness free in high school, she might have been in the 16's at Crystal.Evan Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-13456469429657276082011-11-14T19:58:37.774-08:002011-11-14T19:58:37.774-08:00"Jennifer Bergman's 17:16 (fastest time i..."Jennifer Bergman's 17:16 (fastest time in a while at Crystal Springs)"<br /><br />Oh, how quickly we forget.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-81035506154776908172011-11-14T19:09:39.810-08:002011-11-14T19:09:39.810-08:00They did not break the rule. SCCAL has 4 League m...They did not break the rule. SCCAL has 4 League meets, Stanger ran it two of them thus fulfilling the 50% rule required by CCS. As Coach Collins said above, this was all cleared with the SCCAL Commissioner and CCS office prior to the CCS meet so let's put it to rest.<br /><br />hankhanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-42454204286834242762011-11-14T14:54:47.177-08:002011-11-14T14:54:47.177-08:00Wow - So they were allowed to break the rule, when...Wow - So they were allowed to break the rule, when everyone else went out of their way to follow it? Something doesn't seem right to me about that. If the rule doesn't need to be followed by all, then get rid of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-83658957019825432612011-11-13T20:33:46.978-08:002011-11-13T20:33:46.978-08:00Hiltz and Robinson's (as well as Estrada, Maxw...Hiltz and Robinson's (as well as Estrada, Maxwell) performances need to be put into perspective. Just a few years ago, we were all very impressed with Jennifer Bergman's 17:16 (fastest time in a while at Crystal Springs) and Bergman has been having one of the most successful college careers of any CCS runner. These times are absolutely incredible for the girls... we are looking at an era similar to the 80s right here.Veterannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-53077607076816032792011-11-13T19:55:43.937-08:002011-11-13T19:55:43.937-08:00Rob, what was the reasoning behind allowing an ath...Rob, what was the reasoning behind allowing an athlete who did not run 50% of the races in CCS. Was it medical, academic? Those seem like the only reasons allowed by the rule unless they plan to change it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-65768645221736753772011-11-13T17:30:05.096-08:002011-11-13T17:30:05.096-08:00This rule was covered at the post season CCS meeti...This rule was covered at the post season CCS meeting last year. Steve Filios from the CCS office can explain it a lot better than me if you want a clarification.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-23557101633867623082011-11-13T17:09:27.439-08:002011-11-13T17:09:27.439-08:00Thanks Rob. Cross Country "teams" shoul...Thanks Rob. Cross Country "teams" should be under the team rule, individuals that qualify under the individual rule.<br /><br />Our sport teams qualify as well as individuals. Swimming and track only individuals, there is no "team" advancement. Perhaps the rule should be addressed at the end of the season to reflect the dual nature of our sport.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-48499556504124846622011-11-13T15:02:56.038-08:002011-11-13T15:02:56.038-08:00Thanks Rob.
Best of luck to all the CCS competi...Thanks Rob. <br /><br />Best of luck to all the CCS competitors at the state meet.Albert Caruanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434646351717864405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-56544805491416240362011-11-13T14:52:07.619-08:002011-11-13T14:52:07.619-08:00FYI: Aptos did the proper thing and Got permission...FYI: Aptos did the proper thing and Got permission from SCCAL and CCS approval to run Aptos runner! so time to move on so we can all go and represent the CCS with some great showing to come! SCCAL League Rep: Rob CollinsRob Collinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-51389269202149399362011-11-13T12:38:00.018-08:002011-11-13T12:38:00.018-08:00I agree this needs to be addressed but also agree ...I agree this needs to be addressed but also agree it won't be... Did they run with an ineligible runner? No one has said yet. If they have it should be a DQ for the team. If they were all eligible then there is no argument here.<br /><br />Instead of acusations lets see some proof, otherwise this thread should die.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-82410929061850333762011-11-13T08:45:33.226-08:002011-11-13T08:45:33.226-08:00Then address the runner individually, the team mov...Then address the runner individually, the team moves on. Address the Coach and the school. Or stop marketing the honor code, character, integrity and ethics a standard of sportsmanship. Let the kids know how it really is in the world. Maybe your doing them a favor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31292861.post-11901695381413414842011-11-13T08:05:28.092-08:002011-11-13T08:05:28.092-08:00Lets be honest, no one will report Aptos and even ...Lets be honest, no one will report Aptos and even if they did CCS wouldn't change anything so this is a moot point. While this may be front page news if a football team played an ineligible player it is way too much drama for a low level sport and they won't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole.<br /><br />And can anyone even confirm that Aptos' runner did not compete in 50% of the league meets? If they did run with an ineligible runner they should be DQ'd, as the rule "hank" posted is very clear. <br /><br />One question is, what happens to the results? Is Aptos DQ'd as a team and get to go as individuals?<br /><br />This can have an effect on many things here, if Aptos is DQ'd, Saratoga (who had one hell of a race by the way) gets to go. But then won't Aptos take most of the individual spots knocking out kids who thought they made it to State? This is a mess...<br /><br />But as I said, CCS will not want to touch this controversy and will let it play out as is. This is what they are paid to do but I know I wouldn't want to come near this and let it just go away!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com